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I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE SUNNYVALE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO ORDER.

IT'S MONDAY, APRIL THE 7TH, 6 P.M.. MEMBERS OF THE SECRETARY, WE HAVE A QUORUM HERE.

PLEASE RECORD US NECESSARY. WE'VE POSTED OUR AGENDA, AND WE WELCOME THOSE WHO ARE IN OUR AUDIENCE.

OUR AGENDA. FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM OTHER THAN AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY'S HERE TO WATCH OR EVERYBODY'S HERE TO SPEAK TO AN AGENDA ITEM.

[C. Consent Agenda Items]

NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH TONIGHT INCLUDES A CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES OF MARCH THE 3RD, 2025 MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. YOU HAVE A COPY OF THOSE MINUTES IN YOUR PACKET.

DOES EVERYBODY SEE THEM? SO IF ANY CORRECTIONS, ANY MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.

I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED HERE.

SECOND. SECONDED. MOTION MADE AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AS STATED, PLEASE SIGNIFY.

THAT'S ALL OF US. THANK YOU. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.

[D. Public Hearing Items]

TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER, AND ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 3.05.03 OF THE UDO TO ALLOW FOR VARIANCES TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS CHART RELATED TO THE REQUIRED SIDE YARD AND REAR YARD.

SETBACKS FOR AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 217 MADISON COURT, WHICH IS ZONED STONY CREEK PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PRO FOR 63.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THE APPLICATION OR THE DOCUMENTS REGARDING.

PLUS SOME MAPS AND SO FORTH. SO I'LL CALL UPON THE.

STAFF TO PROVIDE WHATEVER INPUT THEY WANT TO PROVIDE BEFORE WE CALL ON THE PUBLIC.

PLEASE. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING. BOARD DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THE APPLICATION FOR VARIANCE IN FRONT OF YOU IS ON THE ADDRESS.

217 MADISON COURT. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED OR CIRCLED IN KIND OF A GREEN OUTLINE ON THE MAP ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN.

IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF SUNSET CIRCLE AND MADISON COURT.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING BASICALLY A VARIANCE FROM THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDO.

DO. IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE IS A TABLE THAT'S ACTUALLY PROVIDED HERE.

ALSO AT THE BASIC THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR SF THREE, WHICH IS THE ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THIS LOT, REQUIRES A MINIMUM IF YOU CAN READ ON THAT SCALE, 70FT FOR THE FRONT AND 80FT ON THE BACK AND 30FT ON THE SIDE. YARD SETBACK. THE APPLICATION, IF YOU SEE THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, IT'S A HAND-DRAWN SKETCH. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME BETTER PLANS ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A POOL HOUSE OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE THAT'S DRAWN KIND OF IN THE PURPLE INK ON THE PLOT PLAN.

SO YOU SEE THE HOUSE THAT'S OUTLINED IN GRAY OR IN THE GRAY STRUCTURE, THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME BEHIND IT.

THEY HAVE A POOL AND THEY HAVE AN EXISTING PATIO NEXT TO THE POOL AND PATIO.

THEY'RE PROPOSING A POOL HOUSE, WHICH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BECAUSE THAT POOL HOUSE IS CONNECTED TO THE MAIN HOUSE VIA SOME TRELLIS, IT'S BY DEFINITION BECOMES AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND ANY ATTACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACKS FOR THE MAIN HOUSE.

SO THE DIFFERENCE BEING, IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR SLIDE ON THE ASTERISKS, I HAVE POINTED OUT IF THE STRUCTURE WAS DETACHED, THEN THEY WOULD MEET A VERY LOWER AMOUNT OF SETBACKS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET A FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK AND A TEN FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK, WHEREAS IN THIS CASE THEY HAVE TO MEET THE SAME SETBACK OF THE MAIN HOUSE, WHICH THEY DO NOT MEET THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT.

ADDITIONALLY, IF THE STRUCTURE WAS DETACHED, IT HAS TO BE A MINIMUM 20FT AWAY FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE THE LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE, THE WAY IT IS PROPOSED, IT DOES NOT MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF THE MAIN HOUSE, WHICH APPLIES IN THIS CASE.

THERE ARE WAYS TO POSITION THIS STRUCTURE SOMEWHERE TOWARDS THE REAR YARD OF THE LOT.

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THERE IS ROOM AT THE BACK OF THE LOT TO LOCATE THE STRUCTURE ADJACENT TO THE POOL, KIND OF FACING THE HOUSE, WHERE THEY WILL MEET BOTH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR A DETACHED STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS THE MINIMUM DISTANCE REQUIREMENT FOR 20FT AWAY FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.

THE REASON I'M POINTING THIS OUT IS THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND ON WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL FOR THE VARIANCE REQUEST.

BEFORE GOING TO THAT EXPLANATION, THESE ARE THE PLANS THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

YOU CAN SEE THE DETAIL DRAWN OUT FLOOR PLAN AS WELL AS THE ROOF PLAN ON THE EXTREME RIGHT SIDE OF THIS SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE TRELLIS CONNECTION WITH THE MAIN HOUSE AND THIS STRUCTURE. TALKING ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WARRANTING A VARIANCE.

AND THESE ARE ALL LISTED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR OUR UDO AS WELL AS THESE ARE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED BY THE STATE LAW, THAT BASED ON WHAT THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS ALLOWED TO APPROVE A VARIANCE REQUEST OR NOT.

TYPICALLY, VARIANCES ARE WARRANTED WHEN THEY ARE HARDSHIP BASED, LIKE THERE IS SOME UNIQUE HARDSHIP, UNIQUE GEOGRAPHICAL OR OR SITE FEATURE RELATED HARDSHIP TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF THAT DOES NOT ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MEET THE CERTAIN OR THAT SPECIFIED REQUIREMENT OR THE ZONING REQUIREMENT. IN THIS SCENARIO, HOWEVER AND THAT'S WHERE I'LL GO BACK TO THE PLAN OUTLINE.

IN THIS SCENARIO, HOWEVER, WHEN STAFF IS ANALYZING THIS PLAN IT APPEARS THAT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE BACK, THE 70 FOOT AREA FROM THE EXISTING POOL AND PATIO SPACE, THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO FIT THIS STRUCTURE KIND OF FACING THE HOUSE WHERE THEY WILL NOT BE IN VIOLATION OR ENCROACHING WITHIN THE REQUIRED SETBACKS, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THE STRUCTURE WILL BE CONSIDERED A DETACHED STRUCTURE.

IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A TAX STRUCTURE. I BELIEVE THE PREFERENCE THE APPLICANT HAS IS OKAY.

THIS IS A POOL HOUSE. I ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING POOL AND PATIO.

I WANT THE STRUCTURE TO BE KIND OF CONTEXTUALLY CLOSER TO MY MAIN HOUSE, AND THAT'S WHY HE IS POSITIONING IT THAT WAY.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT A VARIANCE APPLICATION, WE DO NOT LOOK AT PREFERENCE.

WE LOOK AT, OKAY, IS THERE A TRUE HARDSHIP BASED ON THE PROPERTY SIZE OR GEOGRAPHY OR THE OR THE PARAMETERS OF THE LOT ITSELF THAT DOES NOT ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MEET THE CERTAIN SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OR HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OR OR OTHER ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, AS REQUIRED BY OUR UDO AS WELL AS STATE LAW, WE HAVE SENT LETTERS OF NOTIFICATION WITHIN 200FT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES. AND AGAIN, TO THESE ARE SOME OF THE PICTURES, SITE PHOTOS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT TO US.

IT'S A PICTURE FROM HIS BACKYARD. YOU CAN SEE PORTION OF THE POOL AREA ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT PHOTO WITH THE LOUNGE CHAIR AND THE AND THE FENCE THAT'S REQUIRED BY HEALTH CODE. AND THIS IS A FATHER WITHIN HIS BACKYARD.

YOU CAN SEE THE POOL, THE FENCE, THE STRUCTURE HE IS PROPOSING IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FENCE.

KIND OF THE FARTHEST POINT FROM THIS FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT.

SO IS THAT THE ADJACENT HOUSE THAT WE'RE SEEING? YEAH. THE HOUSE YOU'RE SEEING IS THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, THE POOL AND THE LOUNGE CHAIRS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT.

THOSE ARE ON THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY. SO MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF I GO BACK TO THE AERIAL TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT OF WHERE THE PICTURE WAS TAKEN.

SO SEE HOW THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE YOU CAN SEE THEY ALSO HAVE A POOL.

BUT THE PICTURE HE TOOK IS KIND OF ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AERIAL PHOTO OF THIS LOT.

SO HE WAS PRESUMABLY THAT SIDE. HE WAS STANDING AND TAKING THE PICTURE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THEIR POOL, THE FENCE AROUND THE POOL AND THE CHAIRS.

SO NOW GOING BACK TO THE SIDE PHOTOS NOW YOU CAN SEE LIKE THIS ONE IS A CLOSER VIEW.

SO THAT VACANT SPACE YOU CAN SEE IN BETWEEN THE KIND OF THE BUSHES OR THE SHRUBS AND HIS POOL FENCE.

THAT'S THE AREA WHERE HE'S PROPOSING THIS STRUCTURE.

AND THEN THIS PHOTO IS AGAIN FARTHER OUT INTO HIS OWN REAR YARD OR THE APPLICANT'S BACKYARD SHOWING HIS BACKYARD.

THIS ONE PROBABLY GIVES YOU A BETTER VIEW OF THE POOL AND THE PATIO THAT'S PART OF HIS HOUSE.

IN CONCLUSION, ALL I WOULD MENTION AGAIN THAT THE VARIANCE REQUEST, BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF THE INFORMATION STAFF, DOES NOT SUPPORT THE VARIANCE REQUEST. GIVEN THAT THERE IS NO HARDSHIP, AND IN OUR REVIEW, THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY WHERE HE COULD TECHNICALLY LOCATE THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHOUT ENCROACHING ON THE REQUIRED SETBACKS.

OR MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. THE APPLICANT AND HIS CONTRACTOR IS PRESENT HERE TONIGHT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

THANK YOU. IN THIS PICTURE IS THERE IS THERE ALREADY A STRUCTURE UP THERE?

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IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING BY THE POOL ALREADY. NO, I BELIEVE AND THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE NEXT HOUSE UP. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SHADOW BEING CAST THERE? NO, THE THE COLUMN RIGHT NEXT TO THE POOL. THAT'S THE PATIO.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT. OKAY, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN C, THERE IS AN EXISTING PATIO BEHIND THE HOUSE. SO YOU CAN SEE PORTION OF THAT EXISTING PATIO AND THE COLUMN NEXT TO THE POOL.

OKAY. CAN YOU DEFINE TRELLIS. IT'S MORE LIKE A PERGOLA.

AND I'LL ALSO LOOK AT OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL IF YOU WOULD WANT TO GIVE A MORE A BETTER DEFINITION.

YEAH. SO THERE IS NO TECHNICAL CODE DEFINITION FOR A TRELLIS.

BUT YEAH, PERGOLA WOULD BE THE, THE, THE, THE MORE COMMONLY USED, MORE COMMONLY USED TERM FOR THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, JUST THE BOARD SLATTED BOARDS. NOT NOT NOT A, NOT A COVER BUT SLATTED BOARDS THAT, THAT PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF SHADE. AND YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE ATTACHMENT TO THE STRUCTURE.

SINCE I'M OLD AND THERE WASN'T PERGOLAS BACK IN MY DAY TRELLIS WAS WHAT WE USED TO PUT IN THE YARD AND PUT OUR ROSE BUSHES ON.

IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S A IT'S AN UNENCLOSED STRUCTURE PROBABLY WITH SLATS.

PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE A ROOF NECESSARILY. CORRECT.

CORRECT. YES. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THAT ONE, THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE, IT SHOWS.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A. LADDER. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.

YEP. SO. YEAH. LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS, THERE'S IT'S IT'S IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CANOPY. THERE'S NO ACTUAL, LIKE, COLUMN ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I'M SORRY. OH, OKAY. SORRY. I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT THERE'S A SLIDE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS.

CAN YOU TAKE ME TO THAT SLIDE? I DO NOT HAVE THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, ON MY PRESENTATION INCLUDED IN OUR PACKAGE.

I'M SORRY, BUT THE THE PACKAGE THAT WE WERE GIVEN HAS A THAT WAS POSTED, HAS THESE RIGHT ELEVATIONS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT SAYS BRACKET TRELLIS. I PRESUME THAT'S THE TRELLIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND IN IT, IT, IT SEEMS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE ROOF, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ATTACHED TO THE GROUND.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT SEEMS TO COME FROM THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND JUT OUT, BUT IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE COMPLETE.

SEE RIGHT HERE. LOOKS LIKE A BRACKET THERE. YEAH.

IS THAT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE. YES.

SO IT'S BASICALLY CONNECTING. IF YOU SEE ON THE, ON THIS PLAN AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE ON YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN MR. LEWIS, IS THE SLIDES AVAILABLE ON YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN? THE SLIDE IS ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN. YES. YEAH.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ROOF PLAN, THE TRELLIS, WHICH MR. JADACKI ALSO EXPLAINED, IT'S SOME SLATS. RIGHT.

SO IT CONNECTS THEIR ROOF LINE OF THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE EXISTING HOUSE PATIO.

SO NOW GOING BACK WE KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH PLANS.

SO ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF QUOTE UNQUOTE THE SITE PLAN.

AND I WISH IT HAD A POINTER. IT THE POINTER DOESN'T WORK.

SO ON THE LEFT SIDE ON THE SIDE PLAN YOU WILL SEE THAT SAME STRUCTURE IS SHOWN.

YES. THANK YOU. LAURA. SO WHERE SHE'S POINTING HER CURSOR, IF YOU LOOK AT ON THE LEFT SIDE.

SEE HOW THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? THERE IS A LINE CONNECTING THE TWO.

SO THERE'S THE TRELLIS. AND THE ONLY IMPORTANCE OF THE TRELLIS HERE OR THE PERGOLA HERE, IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE DEFINING THIS STRUCTURE AS A DETACHED VERSUS ATTACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. WITHOUT THE TRELLIS, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

AND AT THAT POINT, THE THE ASPECT OF THE ORDER THAT THEY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION WITH WOULD BE THE MINIMUM 20FT SEPARATION FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.

SO THE FACT THAT IT'S PRESUMED TO HAVE A BRACKET COMING FROM THE HOME, IT'S IT'S DEFINED AS A ATTACHED ATTACHED. SO IF THERE WAS NO BRACKET COMING FROM THE HOME SO THAT THERE WAS A FOOT OF SPACE. IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEHOW DETACHED, THEY LEFT IT ONE FOOT AWAY.

IT WOULD BE DETACHED, CORRECT? YES. AND WE'D HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.

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NOT A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SET OF RULES. THE DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.

IN TERMS OF SETBACK, HOWEVER, THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER REQUIREMENT OF THE 20 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

THE SETBACKS WOULD BE DIFFERENT. YOU WERE CORRECT. CORRECT. SETBACKS WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT BECAUSE OF IT BEING QUOTE ATTACHED AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRELLIS, NOT A BUILDING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRELLIS, WHICH IS NOT A BUILDING.

IN MY MIND, MAKES IT A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAT MAKES IT CONSIDERED ATTACHED.

I BELIEVE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT SET OF RULES LET US TALK ABOUT HOW THE SETBACKS WERE PUT IN PLACE.

SO WHEN WE CONSIDER SETBACKS FOR THE MAIN HOUSE, THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION HOW YOUR HOUSE IS POSITIONED ON THE LOT, RIGHT? SO IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE FRONT, CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE BACK, AND CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE SIDE. TYPICALLY THOSE SETBACK DISTANCES ARE MUCH LARGER THAN, SAY, A ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHICH CAN BE A STORAGE SHED.

THE REASON THAT'S LARGER IS BECAUSE YOUR STORAGE SHED IS A MUCH SMALLER STRUCTURE, AND TYPICALLY IT'S LOCATED SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE BACKYARD.

AND BY THE IDEA OF IT BEING WITHIN THE BACK YARD OR SIDE YARD, IT'S FARTHER AWAY FROM THE MAIN STREET OR THE MAIN ACCESS ROADWAY. THOSE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE TYPICALLY IN ZONING ORDINANCE LESS THAN THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

THE DIFFERENCE WHEN WE SAY THAT THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE, WHEN WE ARE DEFINING AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE.

THAT MEANS IF IT WEREN'T A TRELLIS SCENARIO, IF IT WERE TRULY ATTACHED BY SOME SAY, BREEZEWAY OR COVERED WALKWAY, WHAT THAT MAKES IT BECOMES A KIND OF A SAME STRUCTURE, PART OF THE SAME MAIN HOUSE.

AND THAT'S WHY THE ZONING CALLS FOR SAME SETBACKS.

IN THIS SCENARIO, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO AND I MIGHT BE TOTALLY WRONG IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR REASONING IS COMING FROM.

I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IS THAT IF THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO NOT HAVE THE TRELLIS, THEN IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DETACHED STRUCTURE AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET A LESSER SETBACK.

AND YOU WERE CORRECT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET A LESSER SETBACK. SO IN LAYMAN'S LANGUAGE, IF IT WAS.

IF IT'S A ATTACHED STRUCTURE, WE'RE GOING BY THE HOME SETBACKS, RIGHT? IF IT'S A DETACHED STRUCTURE WE'RE GOING BY ITS OWN SET OF SETBACKS, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT.

AND ALSO REMEMBER THERE'S A COUPLED WITH THAT THERE IS A MINIMUM DISTANCE REQUIREMENT FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.

AND THAT'S ALSO BASED ON OUR SAFETY RULES OR THE FIRE SAFETY AND OTHER CODE REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE YOU THEN ARE NOT MEETING YOUR MAIN HOUSE REQUIREMENTS.

SO IF A FIRE HAPPENS IN YOUR DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, IT'S FAR ENOUGH FROM YOUR MAIN HOUSE WHERE FEASIBLY IT'S NOT DAMAGING YOUR MAIN HOUSE IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE REASONING BEHIND THE DIFFERENT NUMBERS.

THEY KIND OF WORK TOGETHER JUST LIKE YOU'RE LESS SETBACK.

APPLY FOR YOUR DETACHED STRUCTURE. YOU ALSO HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM DISTANCE REQUIREMENT FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.

YEAH, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND MAKE IT.

AMENABLE TO THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT IT WAY OUT YONDER.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IT YOU CAN'T PUT IT.

YOU CAN'T MOVE IT OVER BECAUSE THE POOL IS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND IT'S ALREADY THERE.

SO IT'S REALLY A CASE OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO.

BE COMPLIANT, EVEN IF IT'S A VARIANCE, BUT ALSO MAKE IT ESTHETIC FOR THE PROPERTY.

POOL HOUSE CABANA. WE'VE GOT OTHERS IN TOWN. JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT FOR IT TO BE WAY OUT YONDER, SIR. AND ALSO MESSES UP OUR LOVE WITH GREEN SPACE BECAUSE IT MESSES UP A NICE BIG PIECE OF GREEN SPACE SO WE CAN PROTECT A A 19 FOR A 30 FOOT SIDE YARD.

SIR, I WOULD REQUEST THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO PROBABLY ADD SOME COMMENT TO THAT.

AND I'D ALSO SAY THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO NOT PUT IT WAY BACK IN THE REAR YARD,

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BUT TO PUT IT RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING POOL AND PATIO, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHILE STILL MEETING THE CODE REQUIREMENT.

AND JUST TO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE WAY THE STATUTE FOR ANY TYPE OF VARIANCE THAT COMES BEFORE THE BOARD OF A JUDGMENT.

SO A VARIANCE TO A ZONING APPLICATION IS THAT THESE VARIANCE HAS TO MEET AN UNDUE HARDSHIP.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AS YOU'RE REVIEWING THIS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IF IT'S AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS EXPERIENCING THEM, THAT REQUIRES THE NEED FOR THIS VARIANCE.

SO IF THE ABILITY TO PLACE THE HOME, EITHER DETACH IT AND PLACE IT 20FT FURTHER OUT, OR IF THERE IS ANOTHER LOCATION, THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN REVIEWING THE VARIANCE REQUEST, SUCH AS THAT THE HARDSHIP IS NOT SELF-IMPOSED.

CORRECT. MR. CHAIR, I JUST WOULD SAY THAT I FIND THIS ONE DIFFICULT. AMEN. I THINK THAT OUR TOWN ATTORNEY IS RIGHT.

THAT IS THE THE RIGHT GUIDANCE. I DO THINK THAT THE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES FOR VARIANCE SHOULD BE GIVEN MORE CONSIDERATION.

I THINK THE PRESERVATION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT I DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT, PERHAPS, IN THIS SITUATION. BUT I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE, IF I HAVE ANY, IS JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE NEXT HOUSE.

THE THE SITTING AREA LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT PRETTY CLOSE TO THE TO THE OTHER HOUSE IF YOU LOOKING AT THE MAP.

JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT ONE IS POSITIONED. SO I'M ANXIOUS, I BELIEVE THAT IF WE DO IT IN THIS AREA, IT'S LIKELY THAT IT WILL CREATE SOME SORT OF PRECEDENT SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL SEE AND WE PROBABLY WILL GET A LOT MORE OF THESE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD GOVERN, BUT THOSE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE THOSE ISSUES.

AND ULTIMATELY WE MIGHT BE FLOUTING ALL THE RULES IF WE IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WHAT THE EFFECT IS GOING TO BE OF THAT.

THAT'S ALL. GOOD COMMENTS. THANK YOU. BUT CAN YOU CAN YOU.

ILLUSTRATE FOR ME THE SEATING SITTING AREA WILL BE UNDER THE NEXT PROPERTY.

THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE A WALL BACK THERE. IT'S NOT PROPERTIES OVER HERE.

THAT'S A WALL. NO, NO, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. BUT I JUST PRESUME.

I MEAN, IF IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF GOOD TIMES ARE GOING TO BE HAD ON THIS, IT MIGHT BE KIND OF CLOSE COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE HOUSE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, NOISE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WAS WAS MY ONLY CONCERN.

BUT THERE IS A WALL. YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT MIGHT BE SO IF WE GO TO THE BACK, THAT OPENS UP NOISE ALL AROUND THE PLACE.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AS THIS BEING A WALL AND A BUILDING THAT KIND OF SHELTERS ANY NOISE AND ENTERTAINMENT. CHAIR'S POINT'S WELL TAKEN. ALSO MAKES IT MORE PRIVATE IN THIS POOL AREA. MORE PRIVATE FOR USE. IF. CAN YOU CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT COMMENT? WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU. SORRY. IT ALSO MAKES THE AREA MORE PRIVATE FOR USE.

IF THE BUILDING IS AS PROPOSED OR IF IT'S MOVED TO THE BACK.

NO, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. AS PROPOSED. YES. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE NEIGHBOR.

NO, SIR. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A EMAIL COMMUNICATION FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHERE THE NEIGHBOR ONLY ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION.

LET'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? LET'S LET'S HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS, PLEASE.

SO AT THIS TIME, I OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING WITH REGARDS TO THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND WOULD INVITE NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC, BUT CERTAINLY TO BEGIN WITH, THE APPLICANT. IF THAT APPLICANT IS HERE, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. SURE. BRIAN HOLCOMB AT. YES. YES. RYAN HOLCOMB, I'M AT THE ADDRESS IN QUESTION 217, MADISON COURT. AND THEN THIS IS MY CONTRACTOR FOR THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION.

JOSH, I'M JOSH MOUNCE. I'M THE OWNER OF JOURNEY HOME REMODELING.

AND SO I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS FIRST, IF YOU WITH THE LETTER WAS THIS OVERHEAD AERIAL SHOT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE THIS, BUT SO THE QUESTION OF THE HARDSHIP IN TERMS OF OKAY, TAKE THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND PUT IT BEHIND THE POOL HOUSE,

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YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT OR PUT IT BEHIND THE POOL. EXCUSE ME.

SO KIND OF RIGHT. I ALSO NEED A LASER POINTER.

BUT LIKE RIGHT HERE IN WHERE THIS DRAWING IS TAKEN AND THIS IS THIS PHOTO IS FROM NOT GOOGLE BUT FROM BEFORE THE HOUSE WAS COMPLETELY FINISHED, I THINK. BUT ANYWAY, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT FAINT LINE THAT RUNS FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH DOWN TO THE ROAD.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS HERE ACTUALLY DRAIN, SO YOU CAN'T SEE IT EXTREMELY WELL IN THE PHOTOS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY JOSH.

BUT THERE IS A YOU CAN SEE THE DIP IN THE YARD THERE.

AND I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO HARDSHIP OR USING THAT LOCATION IS YOU'LL YOU'LL DISRUPT THE DRAINAGE NOT ONLY OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT OF THE PROPERTIES CERTAINLY NEARBY, WHERE THE WATER IS FLOWING OUT, DOWN AND AROUND TO A CULVERT THAT'S MAYBE 4 OR 5 HOUSES UP THE ROAD. HARD TO SEE FROM THIS MAP. SO I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN WITH, OKAY, WHY NOT JUST PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POOL THERE? THERE'S AMPLE SPACE. YOU'D HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THAT DRAINAGE, OR YOU'D GET A LOT OF STANDING WATER, NOT ONLY PROBABLY IN OUR YARD, BUT IN THE YARDS OF THOSE OTHER HOUSES.

SO WHICH THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RAIN LATELY. SO.

OH, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS MORE FOR THE BUILDER WHO'S HERE? RESPECTFULLY. WHY NOT BUILD A DESIGN THAT CONFORMS WITH THE REQUIREMENTS? IT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM IS. SO WE WE INITIALLY WERE WANTING TO DO THE ATTACHED THING THERE.

THAT'S NOT REALLY A BIG DEAL. LIKE HE ADDRESSED THERE. WE CAN WE CAN HAVE THAT ATTACHED.

AND BUT WHICH SETS US WITH THE 20 FOOT SETBACK PROBLEM.

DESIGNING IT LIKE WE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS WITH THIS SIZE OF STRUCTURE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THE STORAGE FOR A RIDING LAWNMOWER, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. AS WELL AS LIKE A SEATING AREA AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO INTO YOUR HOUSE AND, LIKE, GET ALL WASHED UP WITH EVERYTHING, THEY HAVE A BATHROOM THERE.

IF WE FOR TO HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF SPACE, THE ONLY OTHER SPACE IS TO PUT IT WHERE SHE HAD MENTIONED BUT IN ACTUALLY THE LAST PHOTO THAT SHE HAD BROUGHT UP THERE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BRING THAT UP OR IF WE CAN, BUT THE, THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT HE MENTIONED.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THE YARD DIPS RIGHT THERE.

SO IF WE PUT THIS, I THINK IT'S A 20 FOOT WIDE STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE THAT'S GOING TO PUT LIKE THE BACKSIDE OF IT.

LIKE HALF OF THAT DRAINAGE DITCH IS NOW CHANGED.

SO WE NEED TO NOW REGRADE THE REST OF THAT BACKYARD AND PROBABLY LIKE KIND OF GOING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD SO THAT WE CAN REDIRECT ALL THE WATER THAT COMES DOWN FROM THOSE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. YEAH. AT LEAST FOUR HOUSES THERE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DAM BUILDING UP.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE SEE WITH DOING THAT AND ADDRESSING THE THE VERY GOOD POINT THAT SHE BROUGHT UP OF THE FIRE ISSUE THERE, THAT THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK. THE SIZE OF THEIR HOUSE.

WHEN THEY HAD IT BUILT, THEY WENT THROUGH A WHOLE RIGMAROLE THING WHERE THEY HAD TO HAVE A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM PUT IN THE HOUSE.

SO THE ENTIRE HOUSE HAS SPRINKLERS PUT IN IT.

SO AS FAR AS THAT, THAT IS A LOT OF THE PEACE OF MIND THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THIS SMALLER STRUCTURE, WE. THE HOUSE IS PROTECTED BY A WHOLE HOUSE SPRINKLER SYSTEM AS WELL.

SO I THINK JUST WHILE THIS PICTURE IS UP TO TO ADD TO THIS.

SO ORIGINALLY WHEN WE PUT THE POOL IN, MY WIFE ACTUALLY WANTED IT SET FURTHER FROM THE HOUSE.

MORE OF AN ENGLISH GARDEN STYLE I THINK IS WHAT THEY CALL THAT.

BUT WE WERE ADVISED AGAINST IT BY THE BUILDER WHO SAID, LIKE, LOOK AT WHERE THE DRAINAGE IS.

LIKE, THIS IS GOING TO BE A RIVER FLOWING INTO YOUR POOL.

THE SAME EXACT THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM. HAS A DRAINAGE STUDY BEEN COMPLETED TO SUBMIT TO SHOW THE HARDSHIP? NO, WE WERE NOT ASKED TO TO SUBMIT THAT AS PART OF IT.

NO. BUT HAS ONE BEEN COMPLETED? NO, NO, WE HAVE JUST GONE OFF OF WHAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED BY THE BUILDERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO. WE ASSUME THAT THE BUILDER HAD DONE THE DRAINAGE STUDY, AND SO IT'S BASED OFF OF WHATEVER DOCUMENTATION THE BUILDER WOULD HAVE SUBMITTED AT THE TIME OF DESIGNING ALL THESE, THESE THE SUBDIVISION HOUSES.

SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANYBODY ELSE MAKE SOME COMMENTS? ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? HEARING NO OTHER FOLKS.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.

AND EVENTUALLY SOME KIND OF MOTION IF APPROPRIATE.

I'M HAVING A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE ESTHETICS OF IT, AND I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.

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BUT KNOWING WHAT I EXPERIENCED WITH DRAINAGE AND THE LACK OF ATTENTION TO IT FROM THE TOWN, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR SOMEBODY ELSE WITH DRAINAGE IN THEIR BACKYARD.

SO I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THE ESTHETICS OF IT.

I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING IT WAY OUT BACK.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT FITS UP NEXT TO THE HOUSE. SEEMS LIKE THAT DOES PRESENT AT LEAST A BETTER BARRIER FOR THE NEIGHBORS, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE NOT SPOKEN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TOWARDS THIS.

OBVIOUSLY IF THEY OBJECTED, THEY WOULD HAVE COMMENTED.

THE FOLKS BEHIND THEM ARE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE IMPACTED AS MUCH, BUT THAT DRAINAGE MIGHT BE THE CONCERN.

THE TRELLIS TO ME IS, IS REALLY STRETCHING IT TO MAKE IT AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE.

I MEAN, IT'S YOU COULD DO WITHOUT THE TRELLIS.

THEY PUT TRELLIS UP LATER. THAT TO ME IS REALLY STRETCHING IT.

TO MAKE THAT AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE. YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE SETBACK ON THE DETACHED STRUCTURE.

I'M SORRY, MISTER. GO AHEAD. WHEN DO YOU THINK? I MEAN, WHAT IF THIS WERE A DETACHED STRUCTURE? I THINK THAT MEANS THEY WOULD HAVE TO EITHER MOVE THIS TEN FEET NORTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR WEST. I GUESS MY DIRECTIONS AREN'T VERY GOOD.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? WELL, IF IT'S AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE, YOU'VE GOT A REAL SETBACK ISSUE BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE.

IT'S GOT TO BE BEHIND THE MAIN STRUCTURE. SO GET IT BEHIND THE MAIN STRUCTURE MEANS YOU'VE GOT TO COMPLETE AND MOVE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS AT THIS POINT.

NO, BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF IT'S IF IT WERE CONSIDERED A DETACHED STRUCTURE.

I'M SORRY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. DETACHED.

WHAT ABOUT THAT? IT STILL WOULD BE A SETBACK ISSUE IF IT'S DETACHED, BUT THEN IT BECOMES, IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, DO YOU THINK IT FITS BETTER AT THE BACK OR DO YOU THINK IT.

WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT IT IN THE FRONT OR PUT IT IN THE AS PROPOSED.

OPPOSED AND. I KNOW WE WRITE ORDINANCES AND WE CREATE THINGS FOR THE.

THE BEAUTY OF THE TOWN. BUT I THINK PROPERTY RIGHTS ALSO HAVE A BEARING ON THIS.

AND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO. WE REQUIRED HIM TO BUILD A ONE ACRE LOT.

WE REQUIRED HIM TO PUT A CERTAIN SIZE HOUSE. WE DIDN'T REQUIRE IT. WE ALLOWED HIM TO PUT A CERTAIN SIZE HOUSE ON IT.

WE REQUIRED HIM TO BE FIRE SPRINKLERS. AND NOW HE WANTS TO ADD VALUE TO THE HOUSE AND ADD VALUE TO OUR TAXES.

AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO TO APPEASE THAT.

I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE FOUND THE RIGHT SOLUTION WHEN WE MAKE HIM MOVE IT TO THE BACK, OR NOT DO IT AT ALL. SO I THINK YOU KNOW WHICH WAY I'M LEANING.

ME TOO. AND I THINK WE CAN USE NUMBER THREE AS THE HARDSHIP, YOU KNOW, SEEING THE PROPERTY.

CAN WE PUT THE SLIDE WITH THE HARDSHIPS BACK UP, PLEASE? THE CIRCUMSTANCES. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. GOOD POINT.

YEAH, A GOOD POINT. HOW DO YOU ALWAYS RESPECT OUR STAFF'S INPUT? BUT I ALWAYS HAVE TO THINK I GET TO MAKE THE DECISION.

AND I REALLY THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN, AND I'M SURE NOT GOING TO DEPRIVE HIM OF HIS CABANA.

SO ANOTHER DISCUSSION. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WHICH I CAN MAKE.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE AS REQUESTED.

I'LL SECOND HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SIGNIFY ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

I BELIEVE IT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. BOARD. CONGRATULATIONS.

I LOOK FORWARD TO SOME ADDED TAX VALUE. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE DISCUSSION ITEM

[E. Discussion and Action Items]

THE TRAINING OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBERS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS, CHAIRMAN.

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ACTUALLY, WE WOULD STAFF WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST TO POSTPONE THAT ITEM.

SO BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER MEETING CONFLICT WHICH WOULD PUT SOME TIME LIMITATIONS ON THE PRESENTATION.

THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS GOING TO DO THAT PRESENTATION, BUT WE'LL PLAN IT FOR THE NEXT SCHEDULED BOARD MEETING.

SO IF YOU'D WOULD BE SO KIND TO SO NOTED, MOVE THAT ITEM BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ITEM IS.

IF IT APPEARS ON THE AGENDA NEXT TIME, BE SURE AND GIVE US AN INDICATION OF THE TIME FRAME FOR THAT.

WHEN YOU DO. I MEAN, IT'S 30 MINUTES OR IS IT AN HOUR OR TWO HOURS OR WHAT MIGHT WE EXPECT? IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, BUT MY PRESENTATION IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE CLOSER TO 40, 45 MINUTES TO BE THOROUGH. AND IN THE TRAINING.

SO 5 OR 6 YEARS NOW, WE'VE HAD 30 MINUTE MEETINGS.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT 2 OR 3 HOURS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE DINNERTIME.

SO IT'S GOING TO PLAN ON 45 MINUTES AND THEN HOWEVER LONG YOUR QUESTIONS TAKE.

OKAY. THAT'S FAIR. ANY FURTHER BUSINESS HEARING NONE I'LL MOVE THAT THE MEETING BE ADJOURNED.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. IT'S FALL.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SO SIGNIFY. AND THAT'S ALL OF US.

THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.