Mar 24, 2025 Town Council & 4B EDC Board Joint Meeting

OKAY. OKAY, NOW TIME IS 602. LET ME CALL TO ORDER THE COMBINED MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL AND FORBI EDC

[A. Call Meeting to Order]

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MISS TINA CHASE IS EXPECTED TO BE ABSENT ON THE.

SO WE HAVE QUORUM FOR BE ON THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE SIX.

SIX MEMBERS. MR. CLARK IS ABSENT. SO WITH THE SIX OF THE SEVEN PRESENT, WE HAVE CAUGHT UP WITH THAT.

NOW, THIS IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THE TOWN COUNCIL INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON ANY MATTER EXCEPT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

ITEMS OF THE AGENDA. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL.

IF YOU ARE COMING FORWARD, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND I REQUEST THAT YOU FILL IN A CARD.

THE CARDS ARE ON THE TABLE AND TURN THAT OVER TO OUR TOWN SECRETARY, RACHEL RAMSEY, AND SHE WILL CALL YOUR NAME IN ORDER.

WITH THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE. I'M SORRY. PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS ANYONE FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THE TO THE FORBI? YES, SIR. YOUR MICROPHONE. YEAH, I SAW HIM. I WONDER, WOULD YOU HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT? WOULD YOU ALL PREFER IF WE GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THOSE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION? YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S AN ORDER, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

BUT WHAT WE CAN DO BOTH PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE.

AND SO I WAS GOING TO DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE AGENDA, THEN MAKE THE PRESENTATION.

THEN WE'LL TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR PUBLIC HEARING, THEN COUNCIL AND FOR BOARD DISCUSSION.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU, SIR, MR. FINCH. OKAY WITH THAT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANYONE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ON ITEMS OTHER THAN COUNCIL ON FOR BE ON ITEMS OTHER THAN ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS.

[C.1 Discuss and consider action on park concept plan options for the Park Master Plans.]

PLAN OPTIONS FOR THE PARK MASTER PLAN. THANK YOU, MR. JONES. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. TEST. TEST HERE.

OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO SHARE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

ABSOLUTELY. I'D BE HAPPY TO PASS ON THE HARD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE FOUR B BOARD CORPORATION MEMBERS OF STAFF AND AUDIENCE WHO ARE HERE APPRECIATE YOUR OPPORTUNITY, THE TIME TO COME AND PRESENT TO YOU.

I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS ON FEBRUARY THE 10TH, 2025. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.

AND THEN I WILL ASK SHERRI FRENCH, WHO IS THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT FOR HALF AN ASSOCIATES AND IS THE DEPUTY PRACTICE LEADER FOR THEIR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT PLANNING DIVISION AT HAFEN ASSOCIATES.

SHE'LL HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION. AND THEN CARRIE PACHECO, WHERE IS CARRIE? THERE SHE IS NEXT TO SHERRI. SHE'LL HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP PRESENTATION AS WELL TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF OUR, OUR DESIGN LAYOUTS. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO TONIGHT IS KIND OF JUST FRAME FOR YOU WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT AFTER THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE FINAL PUBLIC INPUT FORUM, IF YOU WILL, OF THE PARKS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.

AND SO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND HOW WE CAME ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT, WHICH IS OPTIONS B1 AND B2. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING, WE HAD HEARD OVERWHELMINGLY LOUD AND CLEAR SEVERAL THINGS. NUMBER ONE, THERE WERE DESIRED AMENITIES.

AND I THINK CHERI WILL GO OVER THESE AND IN THE JOBSON PARK THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE PUT IN PLACE THAT AREN'T IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.

AND SHE'LL GO OVER THOSE IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT THOSE THOSE WERE SEPARATE AND BEYOND THE FIELD DEVELOPMENT FOR VARIOUS SPORTS FIELDS SUCH AS SOCCER, LACROSSE AND YOUTH BASEBALL. WE ALSO HEARD OVERWHELMING SENTIMENT THAT WE NEEDED MORE BALL FIELDS IN SUNNYVALE.

WE NEEDED MORE BALL FIELDS THAT HAD PLAYING CONDITIONS THAT WERE THAT WERE MORE SUITABLE FOR VARIOUS WEATHER CONDITIONS SUCH AS SYNTHETIC TURF AND ALSO LIGHTS AND WHAT WASN'T MENTIONED, BUT FROM THE STAFF STANDPOINT AND FROM OUR OTHER MEETINGS WITH HALF AND ASSOCIATES.

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SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, AND ASKED, HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET THESE FIELDS BUILT PARTICULARLY IN TIME FOR THE NEXT ERISA SEASON, WHICH I BELIEVE STARTS IN FEBRUARY AND GOES THROUGH JUNE FEBRUARY, MARCH TIME FRAME AND NORMALLY ENDS IN JUNE.

AND THE SHORT ANSWER IS THE JOBSON PARK PLAN, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S THE THE TOP OF THE LINE PLAN OR THE BOTTOM OF THE LINE PLAN, WOULD NOT BE UP AND RUNNING AND OPEN FOR PRACTICE FIELDS FOR AT LEAST A YEAR AND A HALF TO POTENTIALLY UP TO TWO YEARS.

THERE'S DESIGN, THERE'S ENGINEERING, THEN THERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION.

AND AND SO WE DID ASK SHERRI AND HER TEAM TO GO BACK AND DRILL DOWN.

EVEN THOUGH WE WERE AT THE CONCEPT PLAN LEVEL TO FIND OUT WHAT ARE YOUR CONTRACTORS SAYING, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET IT BUILT AND WHAT WILL THE COST BE? SO THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET ARE ACTUALLY UPDATED SINCE THE LAST MEETING.

I THINK THE THE OPTIONS SHARE WILL GO THROUGH THOSE FOUR OPTIONS, A1 AND A2, WHICH IS THE FULL BUILD OUT OF JOBSON, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF SEVERAL NEW ATHLETIC FIELDS.

WE LOOKED AT TWO OTHER OPTIONS, BASICALLY FOR WHAT WE CALL SPEED TO MARKET.

HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET ATHLETIC FIELDS BUILT IN THIS COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY WILL BE OPEN AND OPERATIONAL BEFORE THE NEXT ERISA SEASON, WHICH IS WHERE OPTION B1 AND B2, YEAH, B1 AND B2 COME FROM, WHICH IS AN EXPANSION OF VINEYARD PARK AND ALSO A UTILIZATION OF AN EXISTING PARK ATHLETIC FIELD AT THE SUNNYVALE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

NOW, LET ME PREFACE MY COMMENTS BY SAYING WE'VE HAD VERY HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STAFF.

THOSE ARE VERY POSITIVE DISCUSSIONS. BUT REQUISITE TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS OPTION IS TO OBVIOUSLY ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, FOLLOWED UP WITH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE COUNCIL APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE CISD BOARD APPROVAL AS WELL.

SO JUST UNDERSTAND THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER STEPS INVOLVED IN THAT ONE.

BUT WE DO BELIEVE BASED ON DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, THAT VINEYARD PARK AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL CAMPUS FIELD ARE THE PRIME OPPORTUNITIES TO UPGRADE FIELDS AND HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE BEFORE THE START OF THE NEXT SEASON.

IN ADDITION TO OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH JOBS AND PARK ENHANCEMENTS, INCLUDING UPGRADING ALL OF THE TURF AND IRRIGATING THE ENTIRE GREEN SPACE SO THAT THERE CAN STILL BE A VERY, VERY HIGH QUALITY PRACTICE FIELD. EVEN DURING THE WINTER CONDITIONS, WITH THE USE OF WINTER RYEGRASS AND OTHER THINGS.

SO. SO THE SO THE CONCEPT HERE IS THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE GETTING ONE PARK UPGRADED, BUT WE'RE UPGRADING ACTUALLY THREE PARKS AND HAVE A WIDE VARIETY, CERTAINLY A LARGER OPTION OF SPORTS FIELDS THAN WE HAVE TODAY.

AND SO THAT IS THE NEXUS OF ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS.

SO I'LL HAVE I'D LIKE TO INVITE SHERRI FRENCH WHO AGAIN, VICE PRESIDENT A SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH HAVE TO KIND OF COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE JOBS AND JUST TO REMIND US WHAT WE LOOKED AT, WHAT THAT IS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE CARRIE, OUR PARKS DIRECTOR, COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE OPTIONS AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AS WELL AS WHAT WE'VE CONCEPTUALIZED FOR THE VINEYARD PARK EXPANSION.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. JEFF, CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? THEY ARE.

WE HAVE A POWERPOINT THAT'S NOT PLAYING UP HERE.

THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING A TV, SO PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE CAN AT LEAST SEE I THINK ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE COVERED IN IN YOUR PACKET.

BUT THAT WAS A GREAT INTRO BY JEFF. WE DID. THANK YOU.

SORRY TO EVERYONE IN THE BACK. I'M LIKE, WE'LL GET IT UP IN A SECOND.

I'LL JUST KIND OF SPEAK TO IT. SO YES, THERE HAS THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF COMMUNITY NEEDS PARTICULARLY SPORTS IS ONE THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS COME UP EXTENSIVELY AS FAR AS JOBS AND PARK POSTS, THAT PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL LAST TIME.

I JUST WANT TO TALK REAL HIGH LEVEL AND QUICKLY ABOUT SOME OF THE NUMBERS.

SO WHILE IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN YOUR PARKS AND REC OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, PER OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND THE POLCO SURVEY THAT WE DID IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, IT'S ALMOST AN EVEN SPLIT.

49% OF RESPONDENTS FELT LIKE IT WAS MEANT TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, AND AND 51% FELT IT COULD BE A COMMUNITY PARK.

SO AS BUT AS FAR AS THE AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE WERE REQUESTING AT THIS PARK, WE HEARD IN BOTH THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THROUGH THOSE SURVEY RESULTS. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONSENSUS ON THE OTHER AMENITIES PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR.

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THEY WANTED PAVILIONS AND SHADE STRUCTURES. THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A PLAYGROUND.

PRACTICE AND SPORTS FIELDS WAS OBVIOUSLY A MAIN ONE AND RESTROOMS AS WELL.

SO AND THEN, JUST LIKE JEFF HAD SAID, WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, THE COMMUNITY WANTS MORE PRACTICE FIELDS.

THAT'S BASEBALL FIELDS, THAT'S MULTI-USE FIELDS, LACROSSE, SOCCER, ALL OF THAT.

THEY ALSO HAD CONCERNS ON THE QUALITY OF THE FIELDS, NOT JUST HAVING MORE NUMBER, BUT THERE WAS ISSUES WITH GRADING AND CRACKING OF SOIL, POOR QUALITY OF SOD LIGHTING JUST TO EXTEND THE AMOUNT OF THE USE THEY'RE GETTING OUT OF THE FIELDS THAT THEY HAVE.

SO THEY CAN HAVE MORE PLAY TIME AND THEN JUST FUNCTIONALITY.

THINGS LIKE RAIN DELAYS AND STUFF MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM.

AND THEN OF COURSE, AS JEFF HAD MENTIONED, TIMING, EVERYONE REALLY EMPHASIZED THEY WANTED THESE YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW, DONE ALREADY. SO THE FASTER WE COULD GET THEM, THE BETTER, WHICH IS REALLY LIKE JEFF HAD MENTIONED, THE IMPETUS FOR US LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE AS WE AS WE EXPLORED GOING A FULL FULLY, WE DON'T WANT TO MAYBE NOT A SPORTS COMPLEX, BUT PUTTING AS MANY FIELDS AS WE POSSIBLY COULD.

IN JOBSON, WE STARTED GETTING THE COSTS AND THE TIMING FOR CONSTRUCTION.

WE WERE JUST NOTICING HOW HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE TO TO GET TO USABLE FIELDS, WHETHER THAT WAS TURF OR NATURAL GRASS.

ON THE OTHER SIDE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY HAD CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND ON STREET PARKING.

THAT OBVIOUSLY HIGHER LEVEL OF USE AT JOBSON WOULD EXACERBATE THOSE AND CONCERNS WITH AS WE ADD LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WHAT THAT DOES TO RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE WENT AHEAD AFTER OUR PRESENTATION AND LOOKED AT DOING THE FULL, FULL BLOWN AS MUCH SPORTS AS WE COULD FIT INTO THERE AS MANY PLAYING FIELDS PUTTING IN THERE'S ALREADY ONE THAT EXISTS AT JOBSON, SO ADDING TWO MORE AND ADDING ANOTHER MULTI-USE FIELD.

THERE'S ALREADY ONE THAT EXISTS TOO. SO GOING WITH AN OPTION THAT GIVES THREE BASEBALL FIELDS TO TWO MULTI-USE FIELDS.

LOOKING AT LIGHTING, NOT TOURNAMENT LEVEL LIGHTING, BUT JUST SO THAT PEOPLE CAN PRACTICE AT A REASONABLE LEVEL.

AND THEN EXPANDING PARKING. SO CURRENTLY THERE'S ABOUT 52 SPOTS THERE.

OUR, OUR MASTER PLAN, WHICH YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IN JUST A SECOND.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS AT THE PRESENTED LAST MONTH.

ALMOST TRIPLES THAT. SO HOPEFULLY TO HELP WITH PARKING ON THE STREET, FUNNELING THAT ALL TO A SINGLE AREA ON TOP OF THAT.

SO OPTION A1 INCLUDES ALL OF THOSE THINGS DOING IT IN NATURAL TURF.

INCLUDES A RESTROOM, PLAYGROUND, SHADE PAVILION, REALLY ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES ENHANCING AND ENHANCING THE LANDSCAPE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PARK. THAT WAS NOT ONLY AN ESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT, BUT TO DETER PEOPLE FROM PARKING ON THE STREET AND TRYING TO CUT ACROSS CUT ACROSS THE PARK. SO FUNNELING THEM IN TO THE APPROPRIATE AREAS AND ENCOURAGING THEM TO USE THE NEW PARKING AREA.

SO THAT COST CAME IN AGAIN FOR THE THREE BASEBALL FIELDS, TWO MULTI-USE FIELDS, AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT ABOUT 8.25 MILLION. AND THEN YOU JUST ASSUME, FOR A PLANNING LEVEL ESTIMATE THAT 10 TO 12% ON TOP OF THAT FOR DESIGN FEE.

WITH AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION TIME OF 21 TO 23 MONTHS.

AND WITH THE NATURAL TURF OPTION DEPENDING ON WHEN THE TIMING OF CONSTRUCTION IS GETTING THAT TURF ESTABLISHED BEFORE THOSE FIELDS ARE READY TO PLAY ON, THAT CAN THAT CAN BE A FACTOR AS WELL. SO IF WE WENT WITH OPTION A TWO, WHICH IS THE SAME, ALL OF THE SAME AMENITIES, THREE BALL FIELDS TWO MULTI-USE FIELDS, BUT DID IN DID IT IN AN ARTIFICIAL TURF OPTION.

EVERYTHING ELSE STAYING THE SAME. THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS WENT UP TO ABOUT 12.65 MILLION.

AGAIN ASSUME A 12% DESIGN FEE, 10 TO 12% DESIGN FEE.

ON TOP OF THAT, WITH A SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION TIME OF 21 TO 23 MONTHS.

OBVIOUSLY THAT ONE. SINCE IT'S TURF, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AN ESTABLISHMENT PERIOD WITH THAT.

SO WHILE WE WERE LOOKING INTO THIS AND KNOWING THE HOW, HOW MUCH EMPHASIS THERE WAS ON GETTING FIELDS QUICKLY FOR YOUTH TO BE ABLE TO PLAY, CERTAINLY NEXT SEASON. THAT'S WHEN TOWN STAFF WAS LOOKING AT ALL THESE OTHER OPTIONS, WHICH KERRY IS GOING TO GO OVER WITH YOU AS WELL.

BUT IN LIGHT OF THAT, I'LL SKIP TO MY RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO KERRY, KNOWING THAT WE HAD THOSE OTHER OPTIONS.

WE, WE TALKED WITH WORKED WITH TOWN STAFF AND FEEL LIKE AGAIN, WITH THE OPTIONS KERRY IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT FOR ABOUT 35% OF

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OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR JOBSON WAS WAS A BIT OF A COMPROMISE TO KEEP KEEP THE EXISTING BALL FIELD THERE, FOCUS ON THOSE OTHER TOP FIVE AMENITIES THAT EVERYONE AGREED ON.

WHICH SO STILL DOING THE WALKING LOOP AROUND THE PARK, EXPAND THE PARKING, MAYBE NOT TO THE FULL 150 SPOTS BECAUSE WE'RE DOING LESS FIELDS THERE.

SO DOUBLING IT TO STILL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO QUIT PARKING ON THE STREET AND GET MOVE TO THE PARKING PARKING SPOTS, ENHANCING THE LANDSCAPING AGAIN, NOT JUST FOR ESTHETICS, BUT TO HELP ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE THE PARKING INSTEAD OF CUTTING PARKING ON THE STREET AND CUTTING ACROSS THE FIELDS IMPROVING ALL THE OPEN SPACE SO YOU STILL GET PRACTICE FIELDS.

IT WOULD ONLY BE ONE BALL FIELD, BUT YOU WOULD GET REGRADING RESODDING AND ENHANCING THE IRRIGATION.

SO YOU HAVE SOME REALLY NICE ESTABLISHED SOD THERE.

SO YOU COULD HAVE MULTI-PURPOSE MULTI-USE FIELDS AND THEN JUST ADDING LIKE THE SHADE STRUCTURE, PICNIC STRUCTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S A COMFORTABLE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AS WELL.

AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT ALLOWS US TO RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, GETTING MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF FIELDS IN A QUICKER TIME FRAME.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE RESPONDING TO THOSE CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC CONGESTION, LIGHTS, USE OF THE PARK.

PARKING ISSUES AND A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF RESOURCES AGAIN, WHERE WE'RE GETTING MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF FIELDS, QUICKER TO PEOPLE, AND ALSO AT A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF CAPITAL RESOURCES.

SO THAT'S I'LL HAND IT OVER TO CARRIE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.

ANY QUESTIONS TOO. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL.

MAYOR AND BOARD V BOARD. WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS AND HOW WE KIND OF DEVELOPED THOSE FOR YOU.

SINCE THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THE BACK END OF HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ENTERING INTO AN MOU WITH THE TOWN AND IMPROVING THE FIELDS SO THAT WE COULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE WE HAVE FOR PRACTICE FIELDS THAT ARE TO BE USED BY SARISSA AND OTHER DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS THAT CURRENTLY USE OUR FIELDS.

AND SO ON THAT END, WE WERE SEEKING ADDITIONAL SPACE.

WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE COULD ENHANCE THE PROGRAM SPACE WE HAVE NOW.

SO VINEYARD PARK, WHAT COULD WE DO THERE THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE USABLE, MORE PLAYABLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE LATE WINTER MONTHS WHEN WE'RE GOING FROM WINTER TO SPRING. WE HAVE A LOT OF RAIN, AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THAT HAPPENS, NOBODY CAN USE THE FIELDS AT ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND THEY'RE HOLDING WATER.

AND SO THIS IS AN ENHANCEMENT THAT WOULD KEEP THE KIDDOS PLAYING WHEN WE HAVE BAD WEATHER.

THE OTHER THING WE LOOKED AT WAS HOW COULD WE IMPROVE SOME OF OUR OTHER EXISTING GREEN SPACE.

AND JOBSON AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THE TEN ACRE, THE SIDE THAT IS NOT DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S PRIME AREA TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO GRADE THAT AREA, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IRRIGATION AND THAT WE CAN PUT A HIGHER LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE ON IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE AND PLAYABLE, BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S A LOT OF AREA TO AND WHETHER THAT'S PROGRAM SPACE OR PICKUP PLAY SPACE, IT'S A LOT OF AREA TO EXPAND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

ON THE OTHER END, WE'VE BEEN VISITING WITH DIFFERENT ATHLETIC TURF VENDORS TO GET ACTUAL COSTS AND PRICING FOR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE THE CONVERSION FROM NATURAL TURF TO ARTIFICIAL TURF AT BOTH VINEYARD PARK AND THE SCHOOL SITE.

EXCUSE ME. AND SO, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE IN THE PRESENTATION, THESE ARE ACTUAL COSTS FROM THE VENDORS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.

AND WITH THAT THE DESIGN AND BUILD TIMELINES WERE IMPORTANT TOO.

AND SO YOU KNOW, 8 TO 10 WEEKS IS, IS THE DESIGN TIME WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 16 WEEKS.

SO IT'S AN AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ADDING THAT UP WE WE WOULD HOPE TO BE FINISHED WITH THOSE BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. SO WHICH WOULD GIVE US PLENTY OF TIME FOR GETTING READY FOR THE NEXT SPRING SEASON, WHICH YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR KICKED OFF IN FEBRUARY.

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SO B1 IS THE SCALED BACK VERSION, WHICH STILL INCLUDES INCLUDES AN IRRIGATED AND ENHANCED OPEN SPACE.

ADDITIONAL PARKING STILL HAS THE AMENITIES THAT SHERRI MENTIONED THE PLAYGROUND, THE SHADE PAVILION TRAIL, THE LANDSCAPING ENHANCEMENTS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PERIMETER OF THE PARK TO PROVIDE THAT SCREENING.

FENCING AGAIN, IRRIGATION ON THAT END AND THE ESTIMATED COST OF THAT IS ABOUT $4 MILLION.

ESTIMATED DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TIME OF 13 TO 16 MONTHS.

OPTION B TWO. THIS IS THE VINEYARD PARK AND CISD SITE CONVERSION TO ARTIFICIAL TURF.

AT VINEYARD PARK WE WOULD CONVERT THAT TO ARTIFICIAL TURF AND THEN ALSO ENLARGE THE FOOTPRINT BY APPROXIMATELY 16,000FT².

THE SPACE WILL FEATURE FLEXIBILITY IN PROGRAMING.

WE CAN INCLUDE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FIELD LINING AND BASICALLY SUPPORT MULTIPLE SPORTS.

WE ALREADY HAVE LIGHTING THERE, BUT WE WILL UPGRADE THAT TO LED AND POSSIBLY MOVE THOSE JUST TO INCREASE THE PLAY AREA AND THEN KIND OF TRANSITION. YOU'LL SEE IN THE LAYOUTS HERE IN A MOMENT, BUT TRANSITION THE PARKING TO A NEW LOCATION WHERE THE CURRENT FIRE TRAINING YARD IS. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RELOCATE THAT TO WHERE THE SERVICE CENTER LAND IS.

AND THEN KIND OF JUST RECONFIGURE THE PARKING THERE AT THE CISD SITE.

WE WOULD CONVERT THAT AGAIN, THE INTERIOR OF THE TRACK THAT'S OUT THERE TO ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THE SPACE AGAIN WILL FEATURE FLEXIBILITY AND PROGRAMING OPTIONS.

AND THIS JUST PROVIDES EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE OF PRACTICE SPACE THAT'S POSSIBLY BEING UTILIZED NOW, BUT WILL BE ENHANCED AGAIN FOR SAFER PLAYABILITY.

WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT GRADING AND THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH TURF.

NATURAL. TURF. UPGRADED LIGHTING. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIX THE LIGHTS AND UPGRADE THOSE AS WELL TO LED.

ESTIMATED COST OF THESE IS ABOUT $5 MILLION. AND AGAIN, ESTIMATED TIME OF FULL BUILD OUT IS 20 TO 26 WEEKS. IF I MAY INTERJECT HERE TO AT LEAST UNDER THE DISCUSSIONS OF THE PROPOSED MOU WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IS THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY MANAGE THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCTION UNDER THEIR CONTRACTOR WHO'S BEEN HIRED TO IMPLEMENT THE BOND PROGRAM.

SO WE WOULD SIMPLY BE IN A POSITION TO REIMBURSE THEM.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ARE GOING TO GET STARTED ON THAT CONSTRUCTION AS SOON AS THE SCHOOL YEAR IS UP. AND SO WE HAVE ASKED AT THE STAFF LEVEL IF THIS PARK IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT INITIAL PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION.

AND SO FAR THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN POSITIVE. SO IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY A DESIGN BUILD.

THEY WOULD HANDLE ALL OF IT. WE WOULD SIMPLY REIMBURSE THEM FOR THE COST.

AND HOPEFULLY, I THINK HOPEFULLY THE COST AND THE TIME FRAME MIGHT EVEN BE SHORTENED UP A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MANAGING A MUCH LARGER PROJECT, AND THE OTHER THING WE WANTED TO BE AWARE OF WITH, ESPECIALLY VINEYARD PARK, IS THAT IT'S IN USE RIGHT NOW.

EVERYBODY'S IN SEASON AND WILL BE UNTIL AT LEAST MID-JUNE.

AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE CURRENT SEASON.

BUT IF WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS, THEN WE WOULD WE COULD START THE DESIGN PROCESS SO THAT AS SOON AS SEASON IS OVER, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE THE GRAPHICS BECAUSE THESE WERE DESIGNED BY ME.

I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL. WE DO HAVE MOCKUPS AND RENDERINGS FROM SOME OF THE VENDORS THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT UNDER ANY SORT OF CONTRACT RIGHT NOW I DIDN'T WANT TO START PUTTING, YOU KNOW, RENDERINGS OUT THERE. BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I PLAYED AROUND WITH AS I WAS LOOKING AT THE CURRENT SCHEDULES AND AT THE CURRENT FIELD LAYOUTS THAT ARE IN USE, DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF HOW WE COULD FIT DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES IN HERE.

SO THE CIRCLES ARE ESSENTIALLY BASEBALL. THE DIFFERENT COLORS ARE RELATED TO THE DIFFERENT FIELDS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN FIELDS, THOSE ARE THE U5 TO EIGHT SOCCER FIELDS.

AND I TRIED TO PUT THEM TO SCALE AS WELL JUST TO SEE WHAT WE COULD REALLY FIT IN THERE.

AND SO DEPENDING ON HOW YOU SLICE AND DICE THESE FIELDS, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW MANY FIELDS YOU HAVE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

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SO IF YOU LOOK AT JOBSON AND YOU LOOK AT AVAILABLE PROGRAMING SPACE, THERE'S ONE FIELD OUT THERE.

SO ONLY ONE TEAM CAN PRACTICE AT A TIME AT JOBS.

AND WHEREAS WITH SOCCER, YOU IT'S DESIGNED CURRENTLY THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT, THE RED FIELDS, IS THEIR CURRENT LAYOUT. AND SO YOU ESSENTIALLY COULD HAVE SIX DIFFERENT TEAMS PRACTICING AT THE SAME TIME.

NOW THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN. HOWEVER, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT PROGRAMABLE SPACE AND TIME AND HOUR BLOCKS, DAYLIGHT HOURS, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT KIND OF GO INTO PROGRAMING AND SCHEDULING THINGS.

SO AND, AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THEN WE WOULD ALSO MAKE SURE THAT SARISSA AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ARE INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN PROCESS SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT FIELDS ARE GOING WHERE AND HOW MANY.

WE CAN DO THAT AND LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT SCHEDULING NEEDS AND SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF SPACE.

AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIT WITHIN THOSE SPACES.

THIS IS THE THE TRACK AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE SOCCER SOCCER FIELD SIZE AND SPACE.

YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE LAYOUTS THAT THEY'RE USING, DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS HAVE DIFFERENT FIELD SIZES.

ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S A SAMPLE LACROSSE FIELD.

IT'S NOT A FULL REGULATION SIZE. IT'S A YOUTH FIELD THAT I FOUND FROM ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY THAT THEY WERE USING.

BUT AGAIN, ANY SORT OF DESIGN MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE OPTIONS WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS.

IF I COULD ALSO JUST TOUCH BASE ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT DOES SHOW THE RUBBERIZED TRACK THAT'S THERE.

IT IS USED BY THE COMMUNITY AT THIS POINT. WE DID VISIT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE RUBBERIZED TRACK AND PUTTING IN A THE ENTIRE GREEN SPACE. YOU SEE, THERE WOULD BE SYNTHETIC TURF, INCLUDING A TRACK LAYOUT.

ULTIMATELY, THAT WOULD BE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S DECISION. I THINK THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED AT THIS POINT IS THEY WOULD PREFER THAT THE TRACK REMAIN IN PLACE.

THAT'S NOT DEFINITIVE. IF IT'S NOT AND THAT TRACK COULD BE REPLACED.

AND THAT CERTAINLY GIVES US MORE SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL YOUTH SPORTS, SUCH AS MAYBE ONE SMALL YOUTH BASEBALL FIELD IN THE CORNER.

BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WE GO THROUGH THE MOU PROCESS.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL DESIRE TO GET BACK UP ON, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO GO BACK TO THAT. IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER.

WE DO HAVE OUR TRAINING CENTER THERE. YOU SEE THE BIG RED LINE AROUND THAT? THIS PROPOSAL DOES INCLUDE RELOCATING OUR FIRE TRAINING CENTER DOWN TO THE SERVICE CENTER SITE OFF OF LONG CREEK DRIVE.

WE HAVE WE'VE BEEN OUT TAKING MEASUREMENTS AND DOING FIELD SURVEYS.

WE DO HAVE SPACE AT THE BACK AT THE FAR NORTH END OF OUR CURRENT SERVICE CENTER SITE SO WE CAN RELOCATE THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER.

SO THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER WOULD ESSENTIALLY BECOME PARKING.

AND THAT FREES UP A GREAT AREA WHERE YOU SEE THE GREEN SMALL YOUTH SOCCER FIELDS.

THOSE THOSE PARKING SPACES WOULD GO AWAY AND WOULD BE REPLACED WITH EXPANDED TURF.

SO WE CAN GET THOSE THREE NEW FIELDS THERE, AND WE WOULD STILL UTILIZE THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE OLD FIRE STATION, AND THE NEW PARKING THAT WILL BE BUILT IN PLACE OF THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER.

SO SO THAT EXPANDS OUR AS, AS SHERRY AND CARRIE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, EXPANDS OUR USABLE PRACTICE SPACE FOR DIFFERENT OPTIONS. AND I WAS GOING TO ADD THAT WITH WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ABLE TO KIND OF CONCENTRATE SOME OF YOUR SOCCER AND LACROSSE SPORTS.

AND THEN BY BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN THAT FREES UP THE VINEYARD HERE WHERE WE'VE GOT THE CIRCLES THAT CARRIE MENTIONED, THE TWO PURPLE CIRCLES HERE, THESE ARE 200 FOOT.

OUTPUT DIAMETER PLAYING FIELDS THAT WOULD BE CONDUCIVE FOR YOUTH SPORTS.

AND SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE REASON WHY WE LOOKED AT THIS CONFIGURATION WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUSH SOME OF THE LACROSSE AND SOCCER OVER THERE, AND THEN THAT FREES UP CAPACITY HERE FOR BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL.

AND WE'D STILL HAVE JOBS THERE AS WELL, CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

OKAY. IS THAT IT, CARRIE? SO WITH THAT IS THAT THIS KIND OF SUMS UP OUR RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT YOU KNOW, OPTIONS B1 AND B2 A KIND OF CLOSELY ALIGN OR ALIGN MORE WITH THE CIP FUNDING THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 AND 26 TO UPGRADE JOBSON PARK? IT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY AND ADDITIONAL SPACES FOR PRACTICE FIELDS.

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THE OPEN SPACE WHILE PROVIDING IMPROVED CONDITIONS AND AMENITIES OUT THERE AS WELL.

AND SO THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME, AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS PACHECO. WE WILL WE'LL OPEN UP ANY OTHER STAFF PRESENTATION.

JEFF. THANK YOU. KERRY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S IT.

I THINK THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF THE STAFF PRESENTATION. WE CAN GET THE STAFF BACK. IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COUNSELOR FOR ME.

WITH THAT, LET ME OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. I BELIEVE RACHEL HAS A NUMBER OF CARDS.

RACHEL, YOU WANT TO CALL OUT THE NAMES? I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, PLEASE. MAYOR GEORGE, I'M GOING TO START WITH ONE THAT WAS SENT IN VIA EMAIL.

IT'S FROM COUNCIL MEMBER KEVIN CLARK. IT SAYS, GOOD EVENING.

I APOLOGIZE THAT I'M UNABLE TO BE THERE IN PERSON TONIGHT AS THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT JOINT MEETING WITH FORBY AND THE TOWN COUNCIL, I HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT I WILL KEEP IT SHORT AS I'M NOT PRESENT.

AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS READ INTO THE RECORD.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG AND ONGOING PROCESS. THE 2021 PARKS MASTER PLAN IS STILL AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.

CLEARLY IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR HIGH QUALITY RECREATIONAL SPORTS FIELDS FOR OUR CHILDREN.

THE ISSUE HAS CONTINUED TO RESURFACE YEAR AFTER YEAR WITH CONTINUED DISCUSSION YET LITTLE PROGRESS IN 2022.

WE HAD A DESIGN THAT RECEIVED BROAD CONSENSUS, BUT THAT PLAN HAS SINCE BEEN REVISED.

AGAIN, DESPITE REVISITING THIS TOPIC MULTIPLE TIMES, WE SEEM TO BE STUCK IN THE SAME PLACE.

IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD. I URGE EVERYONE IN THIS JOINT MEETING TO COME TO A UNIFIED AGREEMENT, SO THAT WE CAN FINALIZE A PLAN AND AUTHORIZE THE TOWN TO PROCEED.

OUR KIDS AND OUR COMMUNITY DESERVE ACTION. LET'S GET THE BALL ROLLING.

OF THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTIONS A2 AND OPTIONS B2.

I THINK THIS COMBINATION IS A GREAT START FOR US AS WE LISTEN TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

LASTLY, I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT THE NEXT STEPS BE EXPEDITED.

IT TOOK SIX WEEKS FOR THIS BODY TO RECEIVE A TWO PAGE SUMMARY OF OPTIONS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FURTHER STEPS, INCLUDING DETAILED DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS, WILL STILL BE REQUIRED.

WHETHER THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION OR STILL TO COME, I RESPECTFULLY URGE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD PROMPTLY WITH WHICHEVER DIRECTION THIS BODY APPROVES. TIMELY ACTION IS ESSENTIAL. THANK YOU, MR. RAMSEY. MALLORY. ALSO, 233 BARNES BRIDGE ROAD.

DEAR MISS MALLORY HERE. I'M HERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY IN FAVOR AGAINST ANY COMMENTS? I GOT YOU. SHE JUST WANTS IT RECORDED THAT SHE WANTS MORE FIELDS AND UPGRADE THE CURRENT FIELDS TO TURF.

THANK YOU. JONATHAN CHRYSLER, FOUR, SIX, FIVE STONE CANYON.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHRYSLER. YES. JONATHAN CHRYSLER, 465 STONE CANYON.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR TEN YEARS NOW. LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON.

MY KIDS ARE NOW OUT OF THE PROGRAM, BUT IT STILL MEANS A LOT TO ME.

A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG BY REARRANGING FIELDS. WE HAVE A MAJOR CONCERN THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

IF WE CAN'T, IF WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT CAN'T DO IT, LET'S DO IT. GALLAGHER HAS.

YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE SCHOOL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS WHOLE SCHOOL PROJECT DONE IN 12 TO 18 MONTHS.

WHEN WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT REARRANGING FIELDS WITH FLAT LAND AND HEAVY MACHINERY.

THE KROGERS ARE PUTTING UP IN EIGHT MONTHS. NINE MONTHS. I MEAN, IT CAN BE DONE.

AND WITH THE CONCEPT, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON JOBS.

IT'S THE CENTRAL LOCATION OF WHERE ALL THE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE CENTRALLY LOCATED, LOCATED, AND IT ADDRESSES ALL THE CURRENT CONCERNS OF THE TOWN WITH BALL FIELDS, BIGGER FIELDS, TURF, EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I JUST THINK AND I THINK THAT THE, THE TRACK AT THE, AT THE SCHOOL IS, IS ANOTHER GAME CHANGER. BUT GOING IN AND OUT OF VINEYARD PARK, IT'S A HEADACHE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU SLICE UP AND DICE THAT EVEN IF YOU PUT TWO BIG ROUND FIELDS IN THERE, IT'S STILL NOT ACCOMMODATING TO REGULAR BALL FIELDS.

THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE HITTING OVER EACH OTHER, THROWING OVER EACH OTHER. SO I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO REFOCUS ON JOBS AND PARK AND MAKE THAT A PRIORITY. EVEN IF IT'S A PHASE ONE AND A PHASE TWO.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST WE THERE'S THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT.

SO WE CAN DO PHASE ONE AND THE SCHOOL OR JUST DO ALL THE JOBS IN PARK AT THE SAME TIME.

I THINK VINEYARD PARK IS IT'S ALREADY IN PLAY.

LET'S LET IT GO AND BE DONE. BUT WE JUST NEED TO REFOCUS BACK ON WHAT ALL THE CITIZENS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE TIME, AND THE JOBS IN PARK AND HAVING THEM GET, WHAT, 12 ACRES THERE WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, MR. CRYSTAL.

NEXT MAYOR, I HAVE ONE MORE. THAT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT RECORD THEIR VOTE IN SUPPORT OF MORE FIELDS,

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OKAY. NEXT ONE. KATHY WEED, 231 MANSFIELD. GOOD EVENING, MISS KATHY.

I'M JUST NOT SURE WHY WE'RE REVISITING THIS. I THOUGHT THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE HAD A PLAN AND WE WERE GOING TO GO WITH IT.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE REVISITING THIS.

YOU KNOW THE VINEYARD. IT'S SOCCER. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM.

YOU COULD NEVER GET ENOUGH BASEBALL IN THERE.

WE HAVE JOBSON PARK. WE HAVE A PLAN. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT STICKING WITH IT.

AND WHEN WE JUST KEEP REVISITING IT AND REVISITING IT AND AND CHANGING THINGS AND TRYING TO SMOOTH THINGS OVER, IT JUST DRAWS IT OUT. IF WE HAD DONE THIS LIKE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, OUR KIDS WOULD BE PLAYING NOW.

INSTEAD WE HAVE 17 TEAMS THAT HAVE ONE FIELD.

ONE FIELD. SO NOW EVERYBODY, I PAY FOR IT EVERY MONTH FOR US TO GO TO BAT.

AND NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE TEAMS FIGHTING TO GET CAGES AT BAT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PRACTICE.

IT IS INSANE THAT WE JUST KEEP REVISITING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO WITH WHAT WE. I THOUGHT WE AGREED ON LAST TIME AND MOVE ON.

THE WHOLE VINEYARD THING IS JUST. IT'S IT'S A WASTE OF TIME.

SO. NO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NICK TALBOT, 33, FOR YOSEMITE FALLS.

MR. TALBOT. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. YEAH. HERE AGAIN, I AGREE WITH KATHY.

I THOUGHT WE HAD A PLAN TOGETHER WHEN WE DID THIS, BUT MAYBE Y'ALL JUST LIKE SEEING MY FACE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT YEAH, I AGREE WITH KEVIN TO A A2 AND B2.

I DON'T WE WE FACE I HEAR A LOT OF THINGS. YOU KNOW THE TOURIST SEASON STARTS IN FEBRUARY.

NO, WE HAVE FALL SPORTS. WE HAVE LOTS OF STUFF.

WE'RE OUT THERE EVERY FALL AT THE END OF THE SUMMER, FACING THESE CRACKS AND EVERYTHING.

IT'S YEAR ROUND. THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A GOOD TIME TO DO IT.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE'VE PUSHED THIS THING OFF FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SAVE A YEAR AND DO IT IN GRASS AND NOT DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.

DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT. I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S NEEDED.

IT'S NEEDED NOW WE GOT TO GO. BUT WE'VE PUSHED IT OFF FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS.

I DON'T THINK ONE MORE YEAR TO DO IT RIGHT IS THE WRONG OPTION HERE.

AS FAR AS JOBSON PARK, I'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN THIS REFERRED TO AS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE 2021 MASTER PARKS PLAN.

IT DEFINES A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AS 5 TO 10 ACRES.

JOBSON PARK IS 16 PLUS ACRES. SO, ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES ON OUR TOWN WEBSITE, IT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE KEEP TAKING THAT INTO PLANS AND FIGURING THAT OUT.

WHEN OUR OWN GUIDELINES ON THE WEBSITE SHOW THAT IT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, IT'S A PARK THAT WE CAN USE TO ADDRESS A LOT OF NEEDS.

THE MIDDLE SCHOOL FIELD IS ALREADY A FIELD. IF YOU TELL ME THAT TAKES TWO YEARS TO MAKE A TURF FIELD, I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO CALL YOU A LIAR. VINEYARD PARK? YES. IT NEEDS TO BE TURF TO IT'S ATHLETIC FIELDS.

THESE ARE ALL THREE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. WE'RE 17 BASEBALL TEAMS, NINE FOOTBALL TEAMS, NINE CHEERLEADING SQUADS AT MINIMUM. THAT GROWS EVERY YEAR.

WE'VE GOT LACROSSE TEAMS GROWING EVERY YEAR. THIS IS NEEDED ALL YEAR ROUND, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER.

ONE OPTION OF TURF IN ONE MIDDLE SCHOOL FIELD AND PUTTING IN A BIG GRASS FIELD AT JOBSON THAT WE KNOW IS NOT GOING TO GET TAKEN CARE OF IS NOT THE ANSWER.

THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ALBERT. BETTY FINNEY. 310 RIVERDALE ROAD. MR. FINNEY. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THIS IS STARTING TO GET A LITTLE OLD, ISN'T IT? ALL OF US. I MEAN, WE ALL KIND OF LOOK AT EACH OTHER, AND WE CHUCKLE AS WE'RE COMING INTO THE ROOM EACH WEEK AND OR EVERY TWO WEEKS.

AND, HEY, WE THOUGHT WE ALREADY DECIDED THIS.

MAYOR, I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU, AND I DECIDED TO LOOK BACK AT THE VIDEO FOR THE FOR BE JOINT COUNCIL LAST TIME, ALL OF THE OFFICIALS THAT ARE ELECTED IN THIS ROOM.

I WENT BACK AND WATCHED VIDEO FOOTAGE. I APPLAUD ALL OF YOU.

YOU SAW THAT? THERE'S. YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE.

AND YOU TOLD EVERYBODY THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT HAD A SOLUTION AT JOHNSON PARK AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THE PRESENTATION WHAT YOU GUYS ARE BEING GIVEN TODAY IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.

AND IT TOOK SIX WEEKS. AND I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME DRAGGING THEIR FEET GOING ON HERE.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'VE DRAGGED OUR FEET WAY TOO LONG ON THIS THING. AS IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

WE GOT TO GET A YES. WE GOT TO MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL KNOW TAKING A LOOK AT THIS STUFF THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY,

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IT'S ALMOST LIKE WHO'S LOOKING INTO THIS? DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE ATHLETIC PORTION OF THIS IS.

AS FAR AS THE TOWN'S NEEDS GO. I MEAN, THOSE ARE SPORTS THAT ARE BEING PLAYED AT THE SAME TIME.

SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE BASEBALL PLAYERS PRACTICING AT THE FIELDS THAT THE LACROSSE PLAYERS SHOULD BE PRACTICING ON? I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THERE'S OPTIONS HERE, A2 AND B2 THAT MAKE SENSE.

AND I ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I ENCOURAGE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD BEYOND THESE MEETINGS.

ONCE ONCE IT'S VOTED ON. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. FEENEY. ROSS MERKEL. I'LL NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR ADDRESS WHEN YOU GET UP HERE.

MR. MILLIKEN. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF.

ROSS MERKEL, 291 OLD MILL ROAD. I AM GETTING FRUSTRATED BY THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. I KNOW YOU ALL ARE, TOO.

I READ THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS ON THE WEBSITE BEFORE WE CAME HERE TODAY, AND THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF JOBSON BASICALLY SENDS HER THE LAST SENTENCE SAYS THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION STRIKES A BALANCE BETWEEN THE NEEDS OF THE GREATER COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS NEAR JOBSON PARK.

THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD ADD NO ADDITIONAL FIELDS TO JOBSON WOULD ADD NO LIGHTING.

I REALLY STRUGGLE TO SEE WHERE THE COMPROMISE IS HERE, WHEN ONE SIDE IS GETTING EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT AND THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH INCLUDES THE MAJORITY OF THIS TOWN, IS GETTING NOTHING.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THIS TOWN HAS WHEN IT COMES TO YOUTH ATHLETICS, IN ADDITION TO A LACK OF PRACTICE FIELDS, IS MORE SPECIFICALLY A LACK OF BASEBALL DIAMONDS.

AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID UP HERE BEFORE, THERE IS ONE BASEBALL DIAMOND THAT IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY THIS TOWN.

IT IS SHARED BY 17 BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL TEAMS. IT IS SIMPLY NOT A TENABLE PLAN TO ADD ZERO ADDITIONAL FIELDS TO JOBSON.

THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION, OR THERE WAS A PLAN UP HERE THAT SHOWED THAT, OH, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, ADD, YOU KNOW, FIELDS TO VINEYARD IF YOU, YOU KNOW, PUT ONE UP HERE AND ONE DOWN HERE.

THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL.

THOSE FIELDS ARE USED BY SOCCER IN THE FALL AND THE SPRING.

THOSE FIELDS ARE USED BY LACROSSE IN THE SPRING.

AND THE WAY LACROSSE IS GROWING, THEY'LL PROBABLY BE USING IT IN THE FALL AS WELL. THOSE FIELDS COULD BE USED BY POTENTIALLY FOOTBALL, TOO. WITH THE LACK OF PRACTICE SPACE. WE CAN'T JUST MOVE BASEBALL TO VINEYARD WHEN VINEYARD IS ALREADY FULL.

IT IS NOT A TENABLE PLAN. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN, AND TO BUILD UP JOBS IN USING OPTION A2. IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS GOING TO WORK, AND I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND THERE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A BULLY. I'M NOT TRYING TO SQUEEZE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR ENJOYMENT.

THERE CAN BE KILL SWITCHES ON THE LIGHTS. THERE CAN BE RESTRICTIONS ABOUT PARKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE'S HOMES.

I THINK THAT IS WELL AND GOOD. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THIS TOWN DOES NOT ADDRESS THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FIELDS AND ESPECIALLY ADDITIONAL BASEBALL DIAMONDS FOR BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE KICKING THIS PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD MORE.

AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MORE EXPENSIVE PROBLEM ON YOUR HANDS.

NOW, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO. WE KNEW THAT WE HAD A PROBLEM AND A LACK OF FACILITIES BACK WHEN MY KID WAS PLAYING FOR YOU.

BASEBALL 30S. HE'S NOW IN FIFTH GRADE. HE'S GOING TO AGE OUT OF THIS PROCESS, AND THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS LEAVE THE SAME PROBLEM FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF YOUNG PARENTS WHO JUST WANT TO HAVE SOMEWHERE IN TOWN TO PRACTICE.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE TOURNAMENTS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO INVITE THE ENTIRE REGION HERE. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, HAD BEEN DONE YEARS AGO. AND NOW, BECAUSE OF THIS DELAY, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT NOW.

BUT IF WE WAIT ANY LONGER TO CONTINUE THIS, THE PRICE IS JUST GOING TO GO UP AND UP AND UP.

SO PLEASE, LET'S STOP FOOLING AROUND AND GO WITH OPTION A TWO NOW AND FOR GOOD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MILLIKEN. JAMES BARTA, 302 EAST TRIPP ROAD.

GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING? JAMES BARTA, 302 EAST TRIPP ROAD.

THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR HAVING THIS AND HAVING ME HERE.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE SUNNYVALE YOUTH SOCCER ASSOCIATION, AND WE USE THE FIELDS OVER THERE AT VINEYARD PARK.

SO WE HAVE NINE FIELDS THAT HOUSE A LITTLE BIT OVER 30 SOMETHING TEAMS THAT WE DO.

OF THOSE NINE FIELDS, WE USUALLY HAVE TEN PRACTICES GOING ON AT A TIME, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIELDS TO ACTUALLY HAVE TEAMS TO HAVE THEIR OWN FIELD.

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WE ALSO HELP SHARE FIELDS WITH FOOTBALL. AND THEN IF WE COULD, WE WOULD SHARE FIELDS WITH BASEBALL, TOO. BUT IT'S JUST NOT A VIABLE OPTION THERE.

SO. BUT AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE YOUTH SOCCER ASSOCIATION, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT BASEBALL, ACTUALLY. IT IS IN MY OPINION, IT'S LUDICROUS THAT THEY HAVE ONLY HAD THIS ONE FIELD THE WHOLE TIME.

SUNNYVALE IS JUST HAS MADE IT HARD. HARDER AND HARDER ON BASEBALL.

EVERY YEAR THEY CAN'T GROW. I'M SURPRISED THAT THEY EVEN EXIST WITH THE FACILITIES THEY HAVE.

SO THE BIGGEST BURDEN THAT WE HAVE IN JUST HELPING OUT OUR KIDS IS JUST PROVIDING TEAMS AND COACHES WITH PLACES TO PLAY.

AND SO THAT BEING SAID, I CAN'T I HAVE TO SAY I AM EXTREMELY GRATEFUL TO YOU GUYS FOR THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN THE PAST. THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE INTO JOHNSON PARK.

IT'S IT'S BEEN FANTASTIC. I JUST THINK THAT BASEBALL REALLY NEEDS THAT ATTENTION.

I LOVE MULTI SPORT KIDS. I DON'T LIKE SOCCER KIDS.

I DON'T LIKE BASEBALL KIDS. I DON'T LIKE FOOTBALL KIDS. I LIKE KIDS THAT CAN PLAY IN SPORTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND HAVE SOMETHING TO DO.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE NEEDS TO BE DONE AND NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE AT JOHNSON PARK.

THANK YOU SIR. VERONICA MARTINEZ CANTU 371. TAVENNER CANTU GOOD EVENING. I LIVE ON TAVENNER AND I BOUGHT MY HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THE PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

MY KIDS DO NOT PRACTICE ACROSS THE STREET AT ALL.

I HAVE TO FIND MY DAUGHTER A RIDE TO GET TO LACROSSE AT VINEYARD BECAUSE I HAVE OTHER SPORTS.

GETTING MY KIDS TO OTHER PARK IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN ON THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS.

SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU FINALLY PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA AND IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THIS YEAR.

THE BUDGET IS VERY, VERY SMALL. WE WANT THINGS NOW, BUT WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT LONGER FOR US TO SEE IT.

SO WHY DON'T WE SEE OR TRY TO DO A PHASE IN OF B1 AND B2 TO THEN PHASE IN A2 AT A LATER DATE. WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO A2 RIGHT NOW TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE.

OUR KIDS NEED PLACES. IF WE DO CONSTRUCTION ON A2.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRACTICE AT JOBSON FOR WHAT, TWO YEARS? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PRACTICE? WE NEED TO PHASE IT IN.

THEY CAN. YOU CAN USE THE TEN ACRES THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED.

DEVELOP THAT. DON'T TOUCH THE OTHER EXISTING BASEBALL FIELD AND THE SMALL SOCCER FIELD.

THAT WAY YOU CAN BUILD OUT EVERYTHING ELSE AND THEN PHASE IN THE NEXT PROCESS.

I PREFER HOUSE RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M SURE THEY'VE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

LAST MEETING, YOU HAD YOUR AUDITORS HERE AND SAID THAT YOUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

SAY THEY WILL LEAD YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF WHAT IS POSSIBLE.

NOW, LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE OF WHAT WE HAVE, OUR KIDS NEED SOMETHING NOW.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE B1 SOMETHING DONE WITHIN BEFORE THE NEXT SEASON.

MY DAUGHTER HAVING HER PRACTICE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

YES, WE HAVE ONE BASEBALL FIELD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A REGULATION SOCCER FIELD FOR THEM TO PRACTICE.

I TOOK MY DAUGHTER TO HER FIRST LACROSSE GAME.

THAT FIELD IS HUGE. VINEYARD IS TINY IN COMPARISON TO WHAT THEY PLAY ON.

SO I ASK AGAIN TO PHASE IN A PROCESS TO GET OUR KIDS PLAYING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

AND WHEN WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO BUILD IT IN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID LINDSAY, 209 LONGWOOD.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. FIRST OF ALL, I HATE THIS.

I HATE TALKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING HERE.

I HAVE A QUESTION, ACTUALLY, FOR THE PRESENTERS. IS THAT OKAY? THIS IS NOT REALLY A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION.

IT'S MORE OF A YOUR COMMENT SESSION. OH, I'M JUST AFTER THE MEETING.

YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO TALK TO HER OR OFFLINE, BUT NOT NOT IN THIS FORUM.

PLEASE. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF IF PARKING WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WITH THE B1 B2 PROPOSAL, JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY KIND OF A MESS NOW.

AND AND I THINK ADDING MORE FIELDS WOULD ACTUALLY EXACERBATE THAT.

AND SO JUST JUST A THOUGHT. I WAS CURIOUS. I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S A VERY INTERESTING PROPOSAL CONSIDERING THE SITUATION.

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I HAVE A SON WHO PLAYS LACROSSE AND BASEBALL, AND WE LITERALLY PICK HIM UP AT 6:00, 6:00 FROM LACROSSE.

BRING HIM TO BASEBALL AT JOHNSON PARK. AND WITH THE LACROSSE, I MEAN, LACROSSE IS DOING A GREAT JOB.

AND THEY'RE FILLING OUT VINEYARD, AND AND THERE'S EVEN SOCCER TEAMS THAT HAVE TO WAIT TILL THEY'RE DONE TO PRACTICE.

AND SO THE IDEA THAT BASEBALL COULD PRACTICE AT THE SAME TIME JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A REALITY FROM MY EXPERIENCE.

AND SO I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT. I ALSO, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL FIELD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THAT OFFLINE DURING FOOTBALL SEASON, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A MAJOR ISSUE TO THOSE TEAMS, I THINK. AND I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM SOME OTHER FOLKS, BUT I THINK MOST OF US WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF BUILDING MORE FIELDS WOULD RATHER DO IT RIGHT AND WAIT AN EXTRA YEAR THAN TRY TO GET IT IN THERE QUICKLY AND DO SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A LITTLE LACKLUSTER.

OR MAYBE IT DOESN'T SERVE THE FULL PURPOSE. I LOVE THAT WE'RE BUILDING LACROSSE.

I LOVE THAT WE'RE BUILDING SOCCER. I WILL SAY THAT BASEBALL FOR US SPECIFICALLY SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST NEED I CURRENTLY HAVE TO TAKE OFF WORK AT 430 JUST TO MAKE A 445 PRACTICE, BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER TIME FOR US TO PRACTICE.

AND SO I JUST SOME POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HEARING US OUT. THE ONE THING I WOULD REQUEST ON TOP OF EVERYTHING IS THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO AT JOPSON, I THINK IT'S NECESSARY THAT WE PUT IN SOME PARKING PROTOCOLS ON THE WEST SIDE OF JOPSON.

I LIVE ON A CUL DE SAC, AND IF SOMEONE PUT AN ATTRACTION AT THE END OF MY STREET, I'D BE VERY FRUSTRATED BY THAT INCREASED TRAFFIC OF WHERE MY KIDS PLAY.

AND SO OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE DO, I THINK THAT'S NECESSARY JUST TO SHOW THAT GROUP THAT THAT'S HAPPENING EITHER WAY.

BUT I PERSONALLY THINK THAT BASEBALL FIELDS AT VINEYARD IS NOT GOING TO WORK WITH THE GROWING PROGRAMS WE HAVE.

AND SO I WOULD PERSONALLY RECOMMEND AT LEAST ONE MORE FIELD AT JOPSON MAYBE STRETCH OUT THAT PARKING LOT SO EVERYONE'S FORCED TO PARK IN ONE PLACE.

I AGREE WITH TALBOT. IT'S IN ACTUALITY IT'S 30S AND NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S ON PAPER, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO I'D LOVE TO KEEP IT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND JOBS AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ROBERT QUIGLEY, 375 TAVENER LANE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY? NO. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I LIVE AT 375 TAVENER, WHICH IS ALSO DIRECTLY FACING JOBSON PARK.

I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY WIFE AND MY FULL SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL FOR B1 AND B2, BUT I THINK ALSO THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO GO BEYOND THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE. I DIDN'T INTEND TO SHOW UP DRESSED LIKE THIS, BUT I CAME DIRECTLY FROM VINEYARD COACHING SOCCER.

AND SO MY CHILDREN ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN YOUTH SPORTS IN SUNNYVALE, AND I RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR IT.

I WANT TO AGREE WITH AND REINFORCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK STANDING OF JOBSON PARK, BUT I THINK WHAT THE TOWN NEEDS TO LOOK AT IS GOING BEYOND THAT. AND AND LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS BEYOND WHAT'S EVEN BEEN PROPOSED HERE.

WHERE WHERE IS LAND TO ACQUIRE? I THINK I AGREE WITH TAKING SAMUEL FARM NORTH OFF THE TABLE, BUT WHERE ELSE CAN WE GO AS A TOWN TO BUILD OUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HANDLE THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO KEEP GROWING FROM HERE? SO I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY THANK YOU FOR HEARING THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE MOST AFFECTED BY WHATEVER HAPPENS, WHATEVER HAPPENS AT JOBSON, AND WANTED TO REINFORCE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND B1 AND B2, BUT ALSO FIRMLY RECOMMEND AND SUPPORT THE NEED FOR MORE BECAUSE WE'RE FEELING IT RIGHT NOW.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. QUIGLEY.

MICHELLE WEED 355 EAST TRIP. OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF. I'LL CALL HER AND ASK HER.

WILLIAM WEED, 355 EAST TRIPP. SO, RACHEL, BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE, I KNOW TIME IS 656.

I WANT TO GET A CONSENSUS FROM FORBES AND COUNCIL TO EXTEND THIS MEETING FURTHER.

WOULD THAT BE OKAY? RACHEL WILL BE OKAY TO EXTEND IT OUT.

YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALSO COUNCIL AND DISCUSSIONS AND DECISION WE'VE GOT TO MAKE.

WE'VE GOT TO LAND THIS PLANE SOMEWHERE, RIGHT. SO LET'S LET'S LAND THIS PLANE WITH THAT, WITH YOUR CONSENSUS.

LET'S KEEP GOING. THANKS, RACHEL. CHELSEA MCLOON 245 BARNES BRIDGE ROAD.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR HEARING FROM ALL OF US AND TAKING TIME TO CONSIDER THIS MATTER AND PUTTING SO MUCH ATTENTION TO IN

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UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOES NOT FEEL AT THIS TIME LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH.

THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT LACROSSE AND SOCCER COULD POTENTIALLY BE PUSHED TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL FIELD TO ACCOMMODATE MORE ROOM FOR BASEBALL AT VINEYARD.

AND I THINK, AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, THAT JUST ISN'T REALLY FEASIBLE.

THAT FIELD CAN'T EVEN ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE ONE FULL REGULATION SIZE LACROSSE FIELD FOR GIRLS AS IT STANDS WITH THE TRACK.

SO TO THINK THAT WE COULD PUSH WHAT IS NOW TWO GIRLS TEAMS NEXT YEAR, HOPEFULLY THREE GIRLS TEAMS AND ADDITIONAL SIX BOYS TEAMS PLUS 30 SOMETHING SOCCER TEAMS ONTO THAT ONE FIELD IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

THAT MEANS THAT EITHER BASEBALL IS PUSHING THOSE TEAMS OFF OF VINEYARD, OR THOSE TEAMS ARE PUSHING BASEBALL OFF OF VINEYARD, AND THEY'RE STILL NO GOOD SOLUTION. I REALLY DO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE CLOSE TO DOBSON AND DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC AND A BUNCH OF SAFETY ISSUES. IN FACT, TALKING ABOUT THE PARKS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU ALL HAVE HEARD FROM ME.

I CAME UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY, AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD ON OUR ROAD AND SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED WAS THAT THE WELL-BEING OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE TOWN AS A WHOLE COULDN'T BE COMPROMISED BECAUSE OF JUST OUR CONCERNS.

BUT YOU ALL WERE VERY GRACIOUS IN LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS AND COMING UP WITH A COMPROMISE THAT HELPED US AND KEPT OUR STREET OPEN FOR, OR WHAT WILL BE OPEN FOR THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A COMPROMISE TO BE MADE HERE.

COMPLETELY TAKING FIELDS OFF OF JOBSON IS NOT A COMPROMISE.

THAT'S NOT HELPING THE YOUTH SPORTS PROGRAM. IT'S MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY, BUT IT'S NOT A COMPROMISE. SO MY HOPE IS THAT THERE IS A COMPROMISE THERE THAT CAN BE MADE AND JOBS CAN, CAN STILL BE USED TO FACILITATE SOME OF THE SPORTS TEAMS, BECAUSE THE SOLUTIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED TONIGHT JUST AREN'T GOING TO BE A LONG TERM SOLUTION. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ELIZABETH TURNER 119.

EAST FORT.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU GUYS FOR LISTENING. I AM ELIZABETH TURNER, 119 EAST FORK.

I APOLOGIZE FOR MY SARTORIAL SPLENDOR. I'VE ALSO COME FROM FROM MY SON'S SPORTS.

AND I MOVED TO SUNNYVALE SO THAT MY KIDS COULD DO SPORTS AND SO THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE TO COMMUTE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

EVERYBODY KNOWS TRAFFIC IS GETTING CRAZY, AND I'M HAVING TO ENROLL MY MY KIDS IN PRIVATE SPORTS SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO PRACTICE AT A TIME WITHIN OUR, OUR SCHEDULE. AND I'M, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS COME UP HERE AND, AND SAID, REALLY? AND IT I'M SURPRISED THAT I'M STILL HERE TALKING AFTER TWO YEARS, I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE GOING TO BE MADE WHEN JUST MORE LIGHTING WOULD HAVE REALLY HELPED OUT THE SITUATION ON THESE FIELDS SO THAT TEAMS COULD PRACTICE LATER.

I AGREE THAT JOBSON NEEDS TO HAVE EXPANDED BASEBALL FACILITIES.

ONLY ONE BASEBALL DIAMOND VINEYARD IS FOR SOCCER.

AND AND THAT A LOT OF TIME HAS, HAS BEEN WASTED.

AND SO I'M WAITING FOR MY SON TO BE ABLE TO PLAY.

WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO PLAY LACROSSE AND LOOKING AT NOT EVEN REALLY HAVING THE FACILITIES NEEDED FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE'LL BE IN 12TH GRADE BY THE TIME WE GET THAT DONE OR WHAT, BUT HOPEFULLY SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO NOT $12 MILLION CAN BE CAN BE DONE IN A, IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING. I'M PRETTY MUCH SECONDING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID AND JUST VOTING.

LET'S GET IT DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MARY KUHN.

373 TAVENNER LANE DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF B1 AND B2.

TREVOR LUNT 281 ASHWOOD LANE. MR. LUNT. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL. I'M GOING TO MAKE IT QUICK TONIGHT.

I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE JUST GETTING UP HERE AND TALKING MY EAR OFF.

BUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL.

WE NEED SOME LOVE, YOU KNOW, THAT BE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PLAN WHILE I'M.

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JUST PUSHING EVERYTHING TO VINEYARD IS JUST IT THAT SEEMS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S WORDS FOR IT, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM FEASIBLE FOR THE LONG TERM.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, LIKE THE TIME IT TAKES TO CONSTRUCT THIS, I JUST HOPE THAT WE DO IT RIGHT AND DON'T KIND OF CUT ANY CORNERS.

YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT ROSS BACK THERE, HE MAY START HAVING SOME STEAM COME OUT OF HIS EARS, BUT IF WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR NEXT SPRING, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. IF THAT MEANS TRYING TO GET WITH MESQUITE AND RENTING AN EXTRA SLOT AT ONE OF THEIR FIELDS, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST ASK THAT IT'S DONE.

RIGHT. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I ASK THAT IT'S DONE IN A WAY THAT IS GOING TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY FOR, FOR MAYBE YEARS PAST. I'M HERE. I'M EVEN HERE, YOU KNOW.

THERE'S ONE GLARING THING WHEN I WAS KIND OF LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THE THE STUFF ON THE WEBSITE TODAY AND ONE OF THE.

LOOKING AT ONE OF THE OLD PARK'S PLANS, I'M GOING TO READ YOU A LITTLE PASSAGE ON IT.

AND THEN I THOUGHT THE I THOUGHT THE PHOTO THERE WAS WAS VERY INTERESTING.

BUT THIS IS FROM A FEW YEARS BACK. AND THE PORTION OF THE OF THE REPORT IS, IS ATHLETIC FACILITY NEEDS.

AND IT SAYS THE GENERAL CONSENSUS DURING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

IS THE NEED FOR A HIGH QUALITY RECREATIONAL PLAY SPORTS COMPLEX.

WELL, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THE TERMINOLOGY.

TO ME, A SPORTS COMPLEX IS A DESTINATION. WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND MAKE SOME MONEY OFF OF IT.

I THINK THAT'S RIDICULOUS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.

WE JUST NEED A PLACE TO PRACTICE. THAT'S IT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING WAS THIS THIS PHOTO OF THESE, THESE YOUNG BASEBALL PLAYERS AND THESE KIDS ARE THEY'RE PROBABLY COACH PITCH STILL.

I MEAN, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE IN IN FIRST GRADE, AND THEY'RE ALL RIGHT HERE.

SEVERAL OF THESE KIDS ARE STILL IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I WENT LONG, I'M SORRY. THESE KIDS ARE ENDING THEIR SOPHOMORE YEAR.

THEIR SOPHOMORE YEAR. AND THESE KIDS WERE PROBABLY 7 OR 8 IN THIS PICTURE.

AND RIGHT ABOVE IT, WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED MORE SPORTS COMPLEXES.

WE GOT TO DO THIS. THANK YOU. CAROLYN WALLACE 318 EAGLES CREST. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MISS WALLACE. THANK YOU TO BE HERE. CAROLYN WALLACE, 318 EAGLES CREST.

I'VE BEEN REALLY STRESSED BECAUSE I. MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO JOBSON PARK.

I CAN GO OUT IN MY YARD WHEN IT'S A NICE EVENING AND SIT OUT THERE AND ENJOY MY BACKYARD AND EVERYTHING.

BUT WHEN WE PUT IN EVERYTHING AT JUSTIN PARK THAT EVERYBODY'S WANTING, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? THE NOISE LEVEL IS GOING TO BE SO HIGH. WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THE NOISE LEVEL FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME? WHO DO I CONSIDER THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK? EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT LISTED AT THAT.

BUT IT'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK TAKING THIS LITTLE PLACE THAT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A SPORTS COMPLEX AND PUT IT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD IS SUCH A SAD THING TO DO.

I JUST I THINK ALL THE KIDS SHOULD. MY DAUGHTER PLAYED BASKETBALL, SO I NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THE SPORTS THINGS OUTSIDE, BUT I DON'T THINK THE ANSWER TO PUTTING IS EVERYTHING YOU CAN ON JOHNSTON PARK.

THE NOISE LEVEL IS GOING TO BE FOR US THAT LIVE THERE IS GOING TO BE VERY BAD.

IT WILL MAKE MY HOME WHERE I CAN'T ENJOY IT. I JUST HOPE THAT YOU'LL KEEP THIS IN MIND ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DO LIVE THERE, RIGHT NEXT TO IT. I GO TO MY GRANDCHILDREN'S SPORTS EVENTS AND STUFF THERE.

SOCCER AND BASEBALL. NONE OF THEM ARE SITUATED IN A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE WHERE I LIVE.

I JUST APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ME. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, I'VE BEEN VERY STRESSED ABOUT THIS, AND I'M PRAYING IT TAKES AT LEAST TWO YEARS SO I CAN JOIN MY HOUSE AT LEAST TWO MORE YEARS BEFORE WE GET ALL OF

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MR. KUHN, HOW ARE YOU? I WROTE DOWN HERE. COMPROMISE.

SO I'M ONE OF THE 15 HOMES THAT SURROUNDS JOBSON PARK, AND I THINK WE ARE WILLING TO COMPROMISE HERE.

I THINK ANOTHER BASEBALL FIELD WOULD HELP AND WOULD HELP THESE FOLKS OUT.

IN THE SUMMERTIME, BASEBALL IS A SUMMER SPORT.

SUMMERTIME. IT'S USUALLY LIGHT OUTSIDE TILL 9:00.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LATE THEY INTEND TO KEEP THESE YOUNG KIDS OUT, BUT I WOULD THINK ANOTHER BASEBALL DIAMOND WITH NO LIGHTS WOULD BE.

WOULD BE A GOOD YOU KNOW, A GOOD COMPROMISE. PART OF THE REASON WHY THE 15 OF US ARE IRRITATED OR ARE PUSHING FOR THIS BECAUSE WE'RE WAY OUTNUMBERED IS THE PARKING.

THE FOLKS ABUSE THE PARKING. AND IF WE COULD FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THERE, IF WE COULD HAVE A.

COMPROMISE. I WISH I HAD A BETTER TERM, BUT IF THEY WOULD JUST USE THE PARKING AND NOT PARK IN THE STREET AND TURN AROUND IN OUR DRIVEWAYS, AND WE'RE ON A LITTLE BIT OF A CURVE AND WE'VE GOT KIDDOS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO PART OF OUR PROBLEM IS, IS THE PARKING AND THE FACT THAT THE FOUR WHEELERS, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ANY MOTORIZED VEHICLES AROUND THESE WALKWAYS, BUT THEY PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT ON THE WALKWAY.

THEY'RE FOUR WHEELERS ON THE WALKWAY. AND YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T USE THE GREEN PATH.

SO I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE MINDFUL OF EVERYBODY ELSE AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH HAVING AN ADDITIONAL DIAMOND OVER THERE, AN ADDITIONAL BASEBALL DIAMOND. BUT I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO BE MINDFUL OF THE PEOPLE THAT THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE MOST, BECAUSE I DON'T CARE WHAT DEFINITION YOU USE.

IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK TO US, AND WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP IT THAT WAY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF YOU KNOW, EMPHASIS AS FAR AS IS ADDING ANOTHER FIELD. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MR.. MAYOR.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ON FORBI? YES, MA'AM. WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? HI, LANA CREQUE 276 JACKSON I'VE BEEN JOTTING.

I WASN'T SURE WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. I WANT TO REITERATE A2 AND B2.

I ALSO AM, YOU KNOW, MINDFUL OF THAT. I ALSO LIVE IN HOMESTEAD.

I DON'T LIVE RIGHT BY THE PARK, AND I DO THINK THERE COULD BE A COMPROMISE.

BUT ALSO, IS THERE OTHER LAND? THIS IS 7.1 MILLION.

WHAT ABOUT THE 42 MILLION FOR THE SAMUEL FARM NORTH? IS THERE OTHER LANDS THAT WE CAN BUILD? BASEBALL FIELDS.

WE NEED ALL OF THIS. AND THIS SAYS 375 YOUTH ATHLETE.

THAT'S ABOUT THREE TIMES THAT OF HOW MANY KIDS USE ALL OF THESE FIELDS.

I RUN ALL THE NUMBERS. I DO THE BOOKKEEPING FOR ERISA.

IF Y'ALL NEED BETTER NUMBERS, I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU.

BUT I JUST THINK A2 AND B2 IS A BETTER OPTION.

I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE NOISE THAT IT WOULD BE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WHERE ELSE DO WE GO? IF THIS IS OUR ONLY LAND, THEN WE EITHER NEED TO FIND LAND SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN QUICKLY.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

IF NO ONE ELSE IS COMING FORWARD, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

OKAY. WE'LL TAKE A COMMENT FROM THE FOUR OF YOU FIRST.

OKAY. LET ME TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE FOUR B. LET ME START WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT, MR. CASH. I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT OF A2 AND B2, JUST TO CUT IT SHORT.

OKAY. MR.. PATTY YEAH. I JUST BEFORE I GIVE YOU MY.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR JEFF AND HIS TEAM.

WHAT IS IT THAT PROMPTED YOU TO RECOMMEND B1 AND B2? THERE YOU GO. I'LL TAKE THE MIC. YEAH. THAT WORKS.

YEAH. NUMBER ONE WAS SPEED TO MARKET TO GET AS MANY FIELDS AS FUNCTIONAL BY NEXT FEBRUARY.

WHEN? SINCE. SINCE THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING, WE ASKED HALF AN ASSOCIATES TO GO BACK.

VISIT WITH CONTRACTORS. REMEMBER, AT FEBRUARY 10TH WAS A CONCEPT PLAN PRESENTATION WITH WITH PROBABLE ESTIMATED COSTS.

SO WE ASKED FOR SPECIFIC FEEDBACK FROM CONTRACTORS IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN TIME AND THE CONSTRUCTION DURATION,

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WHEN WE HEARD THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO TWO YEARS, OVER 21 MONTHS, WE KNEW THAT THAT'S TWO SEASONS.

PLUS WE'LL HAVE CONSTRUCTION AT JOBSON, WHICH IS GOING TO DISRUPT THE CURRENT PRACTICES THAT GO THERE.

SO WE REALIZED THERE'S WE'VE GOT TO FIND SOME OTHER RELIEF IN ORDER TO GET MORE FIELDS BUILT MORE QUICKLY, BECAUSE JUST UPDATING EVERYTHING THAT JOBSON A WASN'T GOING TO WORK FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT.

AND B IS GOING TO HAVE A COMPLETE DISRUPTION ON THE CURRENT TEAMS THAT PRACTICE THERE.

SO THAT WAS PART OF IT. THE OTHER PART WAS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD ON THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING AND SUBSEQUENT COMMUNICATIONS, WE HAD OVER PARKING AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND JUST THE ANALYSIS OF IF WE ADD 3 TO 4 MORE SPORTS FIELDS HERE. HOW MUCH MORE PARKING AND CONGESTION ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? WHAT? WHAT WASN'T DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING IS THE NUMBER OF POLICE CALLS THAT WE GET FOR TRAFFIC AND OTHER RELATED ISSUES.

AND I WON'T PUT OUR POLICE CHIEF ON THE SPOT.

HE'S IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY STEADY FLOW OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT TRAFFIC CONGESTION THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND IT DOES SPIKE DURING DURING CERTAIN SPORTS SEASONS.

SO WE KNEW THAT ALSO VINEYARD PARK, WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND THE LACK OF FIELD UTILIZATION WHEN IT GETS WET. WE KNOW WE HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES OUT THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

SO WE STARTED LOOKING KIND OF AROUND ABOUT WHAT'S THE BIGGER PICTURE WE CAN DO TO GET MORE FIELDS BUILT MORE QUICKLY AND UPGRADE MORE PRACTICE FIELDS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. LASTLY, AS WHEN WE MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REGARDING THEIR BOND PROJECTS WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM ON A TRAIL EXPANSION PROJECT THAT DOES IMPACT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND IT CONNECTS NUMEROUS TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLEFIELD SCHOOL IS IS KIND OF UNDERUTILIZED BECAUSE AS WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS, THE TURF IS IN TERRIBLE SHAPE. THERE'S CRACKS ON THE CLAY SOIL AND THE LIGHTS DON'T WORK.

SO WE'RE LIKE, WELL, ARE Y'ALL GOING TO UPGRADE? THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS LIKE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANY MORE MONEY INTO THAT FIELD BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY USE IT. SO WE ASKED, WELL, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A CONCEPT OF US PAYING FOR THE UPGRADES OF THOSE SCHOOLS TO ADD LIGHTS AND TO IMPROVE THE TURF CONDITIONS? SO IT CAN BE A PRACTICE FIELD THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, EXTEND PRACTICE TIMES INTO THE EVENING.

AND THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS POSITIVE. SO WHEN WE GOT SOME OF THE OTHER INFORMATION YOU KNOW, WE FELT LIKE THIS MIGHT RELIEVE SOME OF THE PRESSURE FROM JUST EVERYTHING AT JOBSON.

SO THOSE WERE THE MAIN FACTORS, BUT SPEED TO MARKET TO GET THE FIELDS BUILT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WAS THE PRIMARY DRIVER.

THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS ON THE TABLE THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED HERE.

BUT AGAIN, TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION WAS FOCUSED ON HOW MANY FIELDS CAN WE GET BUILT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

I CAN TELL YOU AGAIN, AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES HAVE SOME OTHER PROPERTY THEY HAVE OFFERED FOR US TO EXPLORE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PROVIDE A COUPLE OF OTHER YOUTH BASEBALL FIELDS. BUT AGAIN, NONE OF THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AT THE BOARD LEVEL OR AT THIS LEVEL.

THEY ARE GREENFIELD SITES, SO THAT MEANS THERE'S NO LIGHTS AND THERE'S NO NOTHING OUT THERE.

IT'S A GREENFIELD SITE. SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THOSE, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION WORTH EXPLORING.

EVEN IF IT TAKES TWO MORE YEARS, WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL COUPLE LIGHTED BASEBALL FIELDS SEPARATELY.

THE BENEFIT OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAMPUS. AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT THE BENEFIT OF THE SISD CAMPUS IS PARKING AND LIGHTS ARE PREDOMINANT THERE. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE ALL HEARD FROM THE VAST NUMBER OF KIDS AND THE VAST NUMBER OF TEAMS, PARKING AND LIGHTING TO EXTEND PRACTICE TIMES AND THE QUALITY OF THE TURF THAT THEY'RE PLAYING ON ARE THE MOST PARAMOUNT.

SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BEST OPTIONS.

WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY TOWN PARKS, PERIOD. WE HAVE TOWN CENTER PARK, WE HAVE JOBSON PARK, THAT'S IT. THOSE ARE THE ONLY PARKS THAT WE ACTUALLY OWN.

AND SO WE'VE EVEN LOOKED AT WHAT WE COULD DO AT TOWN CENTER PARK IN TERMS OF ACCOMMODATING AN ADDITIONAL BASEBALL FIELD, MAYBE IMPROVING THE THE LARGE KIND OF GREEN SPACE AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARK TO TURN THAT INTO A SOCCER OR A LACROSSE FIELD.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING TO TRY TO, TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWING NEED.

AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR, I THINK LACROSSE SEEMS TO BE GROWING AT A VERY RAPID PACE.

IN THE 2021 PARKS MASTER PLAN, IT RECOMMENDED THESE FIELDS BE BUILT.

I BELIEVE IN 2026 WAS THE PROJECTED NEED. IT'S CLEAR THAT THE SARISSA GROWTH HAS OUTPACED THAT THOSE PROJECTIONS SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE BEST WAYS TO GET AS MANY FIELDS UP AND RUNNING WITHOUT DISRUPTING THE CURRENT PRACTICE FACILITIES THEY HAVE IN PLACE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S IN A LONG WAY TO SAY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

SO BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID AND THE RATIONALE FOR RECOMMENDING B1 AND B2, IS IT REASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT BUDGET CONSTRAINT

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AND HOW MANY FIELDS CAN WE UPGRADE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE NEXT SEASON? WHAT LEVEL OF FUNDING DO YOU THINK WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO DO THIS? SO WE HAD DESIGN MONEY THAT WAS REFERENCED BY ONE OF THE SPEAKERS THAT'S BUDGETED THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR DESIGN AT JOBSON AND PROGRAMED IN FOR SAMUEL FARM, NORTH PARK. RIGHT. WHAT DESIGN ENGINEERING DESIGN MONIES WERE DESIGNED FOR THIS YEAR WERE PROGRAMED FOR THIS YEAR, AND I BELIEVE WE HAD 7.1 MILLION PROGRAMED NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR JOBSON.

I DON'T RECALL THE NUMBER FOR SAMUEL FARM NORTH.

I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY 8 OR 9 MILLION BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARKS.

SO THOSE WERE PROGRAMED IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

SO SO WE DO HAVE SOME SOME MONEY AVAILABLE TO DO THESE.

WE HAD PROJECTED TO SPEND YES THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY NEXT YEAR.

ONE OF THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE VINEYARD PARK AND YOU AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WAS ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO TRAFFIC FLOW? BECAUSE WITH TOM THUMB COMING ADJACENT TO THAT PROPERTY ACROSS.

AND ALSO THE FACT THAT TODAY THE ENTRY IN AND OUT OF THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT.

CORRECT. AND THE WAY TRAFFIC FLOWS ON TOWNEES, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR PEOPLE UNLESS THEY GO AROUND AND MAKE A U-TURN AND GO IF THEY WANT TO GO IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. HAVE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS BEEN GIVEN, AND IS THAT GOING TO CAUSE ENORMOUS TRAFFIC CONGESTION THERE? THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION GIVEN, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SITE, IF THE RUBBERIZED TRACK COULD STAY OR IF IT COULD BE REPLACED, WHICH IF IT'S REPLACED, PLACE THAT OPENS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE OPTION FOR US AT THAT SITE.

THEN THEN CERTAINLY WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD RELIEVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONGESTION AT VINEYARD IF WE COULD HAVE MORE TEAMS PRACTICING ON THE RSD SITE.

SO WE COULDN'T QUITE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

WHAT I CAN SAY AT A HIGH LEVEL IS WE KNOW THAT TRAFFIC CONGESTION UNDER ANY OF THESE OPTIONS, PARTICULARLY OPTIONS A1 AND A2, IS CERTAINLY GOING TO CAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE OFF OF JOBSON AND POTENTIALLY OFF OF MITCHELL THERE.

UNDER OPTIONS A1 AND A2, THERE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE TRAFFIC CONGESTION THAT'S GOING TO BE CAUSED BY EXPANDING THE VINEYARD EXPANSION AS WELL.

SO EITHER SITUATION ISN'T IDEAL IN TERMS OF REDUCING TRAFFIC FLOW BECAUSE BOTH SITUATIONS WOULD INCREASE IT.

WE KNOW THAT, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE AN ACTUAL TRAFFIC STUDY.

OUR HOPE IS AND AGAIN, I THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SITE CERTAINLY OFFERS BETTER TRAFFIC FLOW, BETTER PARKING, BETTER OPTIONS FOR LIGHTING. PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS ARE USED TO A LOT OF THE LIGHTS THAT GO ON AT NIGHT TIME FOR A VARIETY OF SPORTING EVENTS. SO NOT TO PUT A LOT OF THIS ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT WHEN WE ONLY HAVE TWO TOWN PARKS, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE THAT WE CAN GET PARKING.

TRAFFIC FLOW IS NOT TOO BAD AND WE HAVE LIGHTS AND OTHER THINGS AND EVEN RESTROOMS. YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR SOME OF THESE SPORTS ACTIVITIES. AND AND WHICH IS WHY WE ENTERTAIN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE THE TWO GREENFIELD SITES FOR POTENTIAL USE.

YOUTH BASEBALL. WE DIDN'T MENTION THOSE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE WEREN'T CONFIDENT THAT THOSE THINGS COULD DEVELOP BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT SEASON, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION THAT WE CAN CONSIDER WITH THE MOU WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S IT'S A IT'S A GREENFIELD SPACE THEY HAVE NO INTENTION TO EVER USE IN THEIR LONG TERM PLAN. SEE, I, I'M LISTENING TO EVERYONE HERE.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT AS A CITY WE GIVE PRIORITY TO BUILDING SPORTS COMPLEXES FOR OUR CHILDREN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO BUILD CHARACTER FOR KIDS AND BRING THE FAMILY CLOSER TOGETHER, BECAUSE THESE ARE EVENTS THAT THE ENTIRE FAMILY ENJOYS.

I REALLY SUPPORT US INVESTING IN THIS AND MAKING IT A HIGH PRIORITY.

AS FAR AS THE CHOICES I WOULD RECOMMEND, IF BUDGET IS NOT AN ISSUE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GO FOR A2 AND AND B1. I'M SORRY A2 AND B2. THIS IS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

IF BUDGET IS A CONSTRAINT, THEN I WOULD PROBABLY SAY LET'S GO WITH A1 AND B2 AND THEN WORK TO MAKE THE OTHER TWO TURFS UNDER OPTION A1 INTO ARTIFICIAL TURF FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD WHEN FUNDING IS AVAILABLE.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WE HAVE TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOLD OUR CHILDREN THE RIGHT WAY. AND I THINK FOR THAT, THE CITY.

MUST BE PREPARED TO GIVE PRIORITY TO THAT. THANK YOU, MR. PERRY. DOCTOR BOUDREAUX, LET'S START THE COUNT.

I WISH I HAD THE SOLUTION BECAUSE I'M VERY EMPATHETIC WITH ALL OF THE PARENTS.

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AND WE'VE PUSHED THE BALL DOWN THE ROAD FAR ENOUGH.

SO. I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING EXPEDITIOUSLY AND HAVING FACILITIES FOR OUR CHILDREN TO ENGAGE IN ATHLETIC ACTIVITIES.

IN. THIS REALM MUST BE. I'M STUDYING OUR OPTIONS HERE BASED ON WHAT WE'RE GIVEN.

JEFF, CAN YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TIMING? AND SO I WANT TO I WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS A LITTLE BIT.

WE'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS ABOUT COMBINING SOME OPTIONS.

I TEND TO LEAN THAT WAY. BUT IF YOU COULD TALK TO US ABOUT ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF TIMING, IF WE STARTED WITH THE OPTION B TWO, WHICH IS VINEYARD AND CISD, AND THEN MOVE MOVED.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TIMING OF HOW WE MOVE INTO JOBSON.

WHATEVER OPTION WE CHOOSE, WHETHER IT BE GRASS OR TURF, MOVE INTO JOBSON, HOW THAT HOW THAT WOULD PLAY AND WHAT WE'RE THINKING.

SO IN TERMS OF TIMING LET'S START WITH VENUE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE EASIEST.

WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE COST ESTIMATES FROM TURF VENDORS.

SO SINCE FEBRUARY 10TH, WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND SOLICITED PROPOSALS FROM, FROM CONTRACTORS TO UPGRADE THE LIGHTING.

WE'LL FIX THE DRAINAGE WITH THE TURF ITSELF. BUT WE HAVE OTHER DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO FIX AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SO WE'RE WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY I WOULD THINK WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS AS SOON AS WE, WE FINISH, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING, WE HAVE TWO QUOTES RIGHT NOW.

WE WOULD WE COULD SIGN A CONTRACT AND GET VINEYARD UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS SOON AS AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE SARISSA SEASON.

AGAIN. I BELIEVE THAT THAT SWEET SPOT IS SOMETIME IN JUNE.

AND SO WE WOULD WE WOULD BE PREPARED TO TRY TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION START AS SOON AS THE SARISSA SEASON IS OVER.

THAT'S ON AT VINEYARD PARK IN JUNE WITH AGAIN THE GOAL OF OPENING THAT UP BY BY FEBRUARY TIME FRAME IN TERMS OF JOBSON? I DON'T KNOW. WELL, LET ME TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL IN CONCEPT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS, YES, WE'D BE WILLING TO UPGRADE THIS MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE IF YOU ALL WOULD PAY FOR IT, AND WE WOULD USE OUR CONTRACTOR TO, TO DO DESIGN, BUILD.

WE'RE STARTING THE THEY'RE STARTING THE BOND CONSTRUCTION AS SOON AS THE SCHOOL YEAR IS OUT.

AND WE'VE ASKED, WOULD THE MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE BE A PRIORITY AND BE INCLUDED IN THIS IN THE SUMMER CONSTRUCTION AND THE VERBAL AT THIS POINT WAS, YES, WE SEE NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO THAT.

THEY HAVE A BIG CONTRACTOR. THEY WOULD DO A DESIGN BUILD SO THEY CAN GET THE LIGHTS AND THE TURF, AND WE WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THAT FIELD WOULD BE UP AND OPERATIONAL BEFORE THE NEXT SARISSA SEASON IN FEBRUARY.

SO THAT'S THE TIMING ON THOSE TWO. AND THEN JOBSON I DON'T YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST LOOK AT CHERIE FOR A HEAD NOD, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE QUICKEST A1 AND A2 IF WE WERE TO START THE ACTUAL ENGINEERING DESIGN OF THAT AS SOON AS WE GET A CONTRACT APPROVED FOR WITH ENGINEERING SERVICES, SAY, NEXT MONTH, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT 21 MONTHS AT THE EARLIEST FROM THE SECOND WE SIGN THAT DESIGN ENGINEERING CONTRACT, WHICH MEANS ALL OF THE PRACTICES AND ALL THE TEAMS THAT ARE USING JOBSON RIGHT NOW ARE GOING TO BE DISPLACED FOR UP TO 21 MONTHS, MAYBE 24. SO I'M WE'RE SYMPATHETIC TO NOT DISPLACING THE TEAMS, AND WE'RE SYMPATHETIC TO THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, PHASING IN WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

BUT YOU KNOW, ANY ANY IMPACT, ANY CONSTRUCTION WE DO AT JOBS AND IS GOING TO DISPLAY SOME OF THE TEAMS, POTENTIALLY AT LEAST FOR ONE, MAYBE TWO SEASONS.

TO WHAT EXTENT? I JUST DON'T KNOW. BUT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST 21 MONTHS TO GET THAT PARK FULLY FUNCTIONAL FROM THE DATE WE SIGN AN ENGINEERING DESIGN CONTRACT.

SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.

I MENTIONED THE THE CISD POTENTIALLY THROWING A COUPLE OF BASEBALL SITES AS AN OPTION FOR US TO LOOK AT.

WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT CONCURRENTLY WHILE WE DO THE OTHERS AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN FIND SOME OTHER INTERIM PRACTICE FACILITIES FOR PARTICULARLY THE YOUTH BASEBALL. I WANT TO FOLLOW UP JUST FOR A SECOND ON THE JOBSON PHASE IN.

SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS THAT IF WE START, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO TO THAT SIDE, EVEN IF WE DECIDED TO PHASE IN THE VACANT LAND, LEAVE THE EXISTING AND MOVE TOWARDS THE. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE SUCH IMPACT THAT EVEN THE EXISTING ONCE WE START THE EXISTING FIELD WILL BE IMPACTED AS WELL?

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YEAH. THE VACANT SPACE AND MOVE TOWARDS IT. I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK FOR A LITTLE GUIDANCE ON.

YEAH. I'D LOVE TO GIVE YOU A BETTER ANSWER. BECAUSE UNTIL WE WERE TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT PHASING AND HOW THINGS HAVE TO HAPPEN IN TERMS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE LIGHTS ADDED, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE ELECTRICAL THAT'S GOT TO BE PLUGGED IN THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

OBVIOUSLY, IF WE DO THE RESTROOM, THERE'S GOT TO BE WATER AND SEWER.

SO AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THE LACK OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT JOBSON IS REALLY IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE LIGHTS IN THE RESTROOM, THEN WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH IRRIGATION. HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET WATER IN THE ENTIRE SITE? IRRIGATED, WHICH MIGHT CUT DOWN THE TIME FRAME, BUT THE FULL BLOWN OPTION A1 AND OPTION A2 IS, I THINK, WHAT'S CAUSING THIS TO BE LIKE A 21 TO 24 MONTH PROCESS? IF WE LOOK AT A SCALED BACK VERSION WHERE WE'RE ADDING SOME FIELDS WITH NO LIGHTS AND NO NO PERMANENT RESTROOM, THAT TIME FRAME COULD PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY BE SHORTENED.

BUT AGAIN, UNTIL WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR ACTUALLY GIVE US A PROPOSAL AND A BID, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT I'D SAY THAT'S THE OUTSIDE IS THE 21 TO 24 MONTH TIME FRAME.

OKAY. RIGHT. CORRECT. FOR FOR A1 AND A2, WHICH IS EVERYTHING.

SURE. I MEAN, IT COULD FACE IT. PHASING, IT COULD SHORTEN THE TIME FRAME.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH HYPOTHETICALS UNTIL WE GET A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD AND HAVE THEM TALK TO US ABOUT PHASING AND WHAT THEY COULD DO FIRST AND WHAT THEY COULD DO SECOND.

AND OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD WE WOULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH THEM TO DO IT.

YEAH, I THINK THIS IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE DIFFICULT IN THAT WE NEED WE WANT SPEED TO MARKET, OBVIOUSLY. AND SO WHEN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT EVEN IN A PHASED APPROACH, WE'RE STILL TALKING MONTHS TO GET AN ENGINEER ON BOARD.

I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS PROCESS BEFORE. YOU HAVE ENGINEERING, THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER HEARING ON THAT.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP. SO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AS IT RELATES TO AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT LACROSSE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

SO I HAVE TO RELY ON SOME OF MY FRIENDS. CAN THE TURF FIELD AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BE USED AS A LACROSSE FIELD ONCE IT'S DONE? CAN THERE BE SOME SHARED ON THE ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD? SO DOES ANYBODY KNOW? WELL, I WOULD SAY THE ANSWER IS YES.

MOST CERTAINLY IF THE RUBBERIZED TRACK COULD GO AWAY.

AND WE TURF THE ENTIRE FIELD AND THE TRACK THAT GOES IN ITS PLACE IS A TURF TRACK.

IT'S STILL LINED AS A, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 5 LANE TRACK, BUT IT'S NOT A RUBBERIZED SURFACE, MEANING AND THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF THE, OF THE SYNTHETIC TURF IS YOU CAN USE AS LONG AS THE ENTIRE SPACE IS COVERED IN TURF, YOU HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBLE SPACE TO WORK WITH FOR WHATEVER TYPE OF SPORT, EVEN YOUTH BASEBALL, WHICH IS WHY WE ORIGINALLY KIND OF APPROACHED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

CAN WE TURF THE ENTIRE THING AND TAKE OUT THE RUBBERIZED TRACK? BECAUSE WE CAN ACTUALLY GET ANOTHER LIGHTED YOUTH BASEBALL FIELD OVER HERE IN THE CORNER, WHICH IS WHAT OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO GET AS MANY MULTI-PURPOSE PLAYING FIELDS WITH LIGHTING AND ADDITIONAL PARKING AS, AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE RUBBERIZED TRACK WON'T GO AWAY.

I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO SOLIDIFY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE GET SOME DIRECTION HERE.

BUT I THINK I THINK THEY'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN WHATEVER OPTIONS WE WANT TO TRY TO PITCH TO THEM.

SO THE RUBBERIZED TRACK GOES AWAY. IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND MORE SPACE FOR MORE TEAMS AND MORE SPORTS THE SIZE OF THE FIELD.

DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO REMOVE THE CURRENT RUBBERIZED TRACK AND MAYBE TAKE IT OUTSIDE? IN OTHER WORDS, LARGE ENOUGH FOR THE FIELD, BUT MAYBE BUILD A NEW ONE? THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD QUESTION, MAYOR. WE DID TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO TURF THE ENTIRE SITE, WHICH THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A YOUTH BASEBALL PRACTICE THERE BECAUSE THAT RUBBERIZED SURFACE AND THE OTHER SYNTHETIC TURF SURFACES DON'T GO WELL TOGETHER.

SO SO, YEAH, THE ISSUE OF THE RUBBERIZED TRACK IS IT JUST PRETTY MUCH STOPS ANY OPTION FOR YOUTH BASEBALL UNDER A LIGHTED CONDITION AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TRACK? SO RUBBERIZED TRACK GOES AWAY AND THE WHOLE THING IS SYNTHETIC TURF.

YOU ABSOLUTELY COULD HAVE IT. TRUE MULTI-PURPOSE WHERE YOU COULD PLAY SOCCER, LACROSSE, AND MAYBE EVEN GET A YOUTH BASEBALL DIAMOND OUT OF THAT.

SO I THINK END OF THE DAY, I KNOW THE WE TALKED ABOUT REDUCING THE SPEED TO MARKET IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT. BECAUSE KIDS ALREADY THERE ARE STRUGGLES, RIGHT.

SO LET'S JUST SAY IF YOU GO TO THE B2 AND A2 FOR EXAMPLE.

RIGHT. SO B2 IS THE 12 TO 16 WEEKS I THINK. AND YOU SAID THAT PROBABLY COULD BE DONE BEFORE THE NEXT SEASON STARTS.

WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT B2 THAT VINEYARD AND THE SID SITE COULD BE DONE.

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YEAH, FOR ME, I TRULY AGREE WITH THE YOUTH FAMILIES FOR HIGHER QUALITY FIELDS, RIGHT? SO I AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF A2. I ALSO TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

SO WE GOT TO I'M GOING TO ASK THE CONSULTANT.

MAYBE NOT. THINK ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT FOR THE RESIDENTS AND OTHER TRAFFIC.

RIGHT. WE TALKED. THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN. I KNOW. I LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW WE GO WITH THE A2 OPTION AND WE TALKED ABOUT, I GUESS THE PROPOSAL INCLUDE A FENCING RIGHT OUTSIDE THE FENCE.

AND ALSO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF LANDSCAPING, HOWEVER, ORNAMENTAL TREES, WHATEVER THAT YOU DO RIGHT. EVERY SIDE YOU CAN DO, WHETHER IT'S EAGLE CREST, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU CAN LANDSCAPE THAT SIDE OR NOT.

WE GOT TO BE MINDFUL. I WANT TO BE EVEN IF YOU SPEND EXTRA MONEY, I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS.

SO. SO YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD, MA'AM? YEAH.

I WAS JUST SOME OF THOSE PROPOSED ENHANCEMENTS ARE FOR JUST THAT.

SO THE LANDSCAPE IS TO PROVIDE A VISUAL BUFFER.

IT'S ALSO TO PROVIDE A BARRIER FOR PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET TO CUT ACROSS.

IT WILL HELP A LITTLE WITH SOUND, WITH THE PLANTINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE WILL IT WILL ALL HELP TO AN EXTENT. OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES COMING THERE WILL STILL BE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES COMING THERE.

BUT IF YOU MAKE THE BERM HIGH ENOUGH, RIGHT, SO CAN PEOPLE WALK ACROSS? YES. BUT YOU ARE. YOU'RE MAKING IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO WALK ACROSS, RIGHT? BRINGING IN THE FENCE, ENCOURAGING THEM TO GO.

AND THEN THE OPTION FOR A2 HAD EXPANDED PARKING.

SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S ABOUT 52 SPACES. THE FULL THAT FULLY DESIGNED A2 OPTION HAD 150.

SO IT TRIPLES THE PARKING THERE. AGAIN, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO NOT GO ON THE STREETS AND TO GO INTO THAT PARKING.

SO I'M LOOKING FOR THE CAKE AND EAT IT TOO RIGHT.

I WANT I WANT THE A2 FIELD OPTION. THAT WAY THE YOUTH SPORTS CAN GROW AND THE KIDS CAN COME AND PLAY.

THE FAMILIES CAN ENJOY. IT'S A HEALTHY LIVING.

I ALSO WANT TO SEE WHAT CAN WE DO TO MITIGATE THE NOISE, YOU KNOW.

DO WE? THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED YOUR INPUT YEAH.

THE CONSTRUCTION. ALL OF THAT WILL HELP A LITTLE.

A LITTLE BIT. AGAIN THE AND THAT WE WE TALKED IN THE FEBRUARY MEETING ABOUT PUTTING UP NO PARKING SIGNS FOR THE STREET, ESPECIALLY IF WE EXPAND THE THE PARKING AREA TO, TO THAT.

THERE WILL STILL BE AN ELEVATED LEVEL OF NOISE.

SO JUST I MEAN, TO MANAGE EXPECTATION, WE CAN WE CAN BERM IT AND WE CAN PUT UP TREES AND WE CAN PUT UP THE FENCING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY AND THEN DEAL WITH TURNING OFF THE LIGHTS, HAVING CERTAIN TIMES WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE ON AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT THERE WILL IT WILL STILL BE A LOT MORE PEOPLE GOING INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, JEFF SAID, WE'VE GOT TO WAIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TEAM TO COME ON BOARD FROM YOUR DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.

CAN YOU CAN YOU THINK ABOUT WAYS WHERE WE CAN REDUCE THE TIMELINE FROM 21 TO 26 MONTHS TO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, LESS THAN 12 MONTHS? YES. IT'S HARD TO KNOW WITHOUT SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS BECAUSE SOME A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO BE INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED.

AGAIN BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES ARE A LITTLE SIMPLER PROJECTS.

MORE LIKE WE'RE JUST WE'RE CONVERTING TURF AND THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKING, ELECTRICAL, LIGHTING, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE AVAILABLE. JOBSON.

UNTIL WE KNOW MORE, IT'S HARD TO GUESS. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO LEAD TIMES FOR CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

PRIMARILY FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE FOR ELECTRICAL GETTING GETTING THE RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO CALL IT A TRANSFORMER. THAT MIGHT BE THE WRONG TERM, BUT GETTING THERE'S A WE ARE WE KNOW IN DOING OUR OTHER SPORTS FIELDS AND STUFF THERE'S A 12 TO 16 MONTH LEAD TIME ON THAT. SO WE HAVE TO GET THAT LOCKED IN.

THAT'S PART OF THIS LONGER CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

IF WE DO A PLAYGROUND, MOST PLAYGROUNDS ARE 12 MONTHS OUT.

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PICK SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE READILY AVAILABLE.

BUT IT'S JUST LEAD TIMES FOR THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS PUTTING IN SEWER WATER, LIGHTING, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF WHERE IT VINEYARD AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, IT'S THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

WE'RE ENHANCING IT AND IT'S, IT'S A SIMPLER TURF CONVERSION ALMOST.

AND I THINK, I THINK IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH SHERRY AND HER TEAM, THAT THE THE LIGHTING ISSUE IS REALLY WHAT ALSO KIND OF DROVE BACK TO PATTY'S QUESTION, THE LIGHTING ISSUE OF, OKAY, WHERE DO WE ALREADY HAVE LIGHTING INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT WE CAN UPGRADE FIELDS AND WE ALREADY HAVE LIGHTING, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT LEAD. TIME FOR A NEW TRANSFORMER. AND THAT'S WHERE THE RSD SITE, EVEN THOUGH THOSE LIGHTS DON'T WORK, I MEAN, THE PLAN IS OBVIOUSLY TO UPGRADE THOSE LIGHTS TO GET THEM FUNCTIONAL. AND THEN VINEYARD ALREADY HAS OPERATIONAL LIGHTS. WE JUST WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THEM OUT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE THEM BACK A LITTLE BIT AND THEN UPGRADE ALL THE LIGHTS TO LED SO IT HAS MINIMAL BLEED OVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFF OF TOWN EAST.

I JUST WANT TO HOLD ON, HOLD ON. GIVE HIM THE MIC.

HERE YOU GO. LET'S FINISH THIS OFF. NO. GO AHEAD.

[01:35:05]

NO, I JUST JUST WANTED TO HOLD ON. GET THE MIC.

GET THE MIC. PATTI, GET TO THE POINT YOU RAISED.

IF WE DID GO AFTER A2. YEAH. THERE IS GOING TO BE RESISTANCE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES AROUND IT.

BUT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS, OBSERVING WHAT I LISTENING TO WHAT WAS ARGUED, THERE ARE SOME FOR IT AND THERE ARE FEW AGAINST IT.

AND ANYTIME YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR AND AGAINST. RIGHT.

BUT I THINK A BETTER WAY TO DO TO BUILD CONSENSUS IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE BECAUSE THIS IS FOR THE LARGER GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY TO MAYBE HAVE THE COMMUNITY LIKE 3 OR 4 PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THEM TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND WITH WITH THE COUNCIL TO SEE HOW IT CAN BE BALANCED. SO THEY FEEL THAT THEY ARE PART OF THE DECISION PROCESS.

THEY MAY NOT GET ALL OF IT, BUT AT LEAST IF THEY'RE MEMBERS IN THAT COMMUNITY ARE RECOMMENDING THIS IS THE BEST OPTION FOR US.

I THINK WE CAN OVERCOME THAT. ARE YOU DONE, SIR? BUT MY MY LARGEST CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS HAVING BEEN AROUND THESE PROJECTS FOR MANY YEARS IS THAT WE HAVE THE PROJECTED MONTHS AND THEN WE HAVE THE REALITY OF MONTHS. RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE TELLING ME ALREADY 18 MONTHS, THAT'S 24 MONTHS, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S MY FEAR IN THIS IS THAT WE GO APPROVE WHATEVER PLAN WE HAVE A B WHATEVER THAT WHEN YOU'RE TELLING US WE DEAL WITH JOBSON, IT'S LONG TERM AND THEN WE'RE STILL NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

AND SO I TEND TO LOOK AT IT IN PHASES. WHAT CAN WE DO NOW.

WHAT CAN WE START NOW. WHAT CAN WE DO NOW TO GET SOME IMPACT.

THEN WHAT CAN WE START ON. RIGHT. AND SO WE ALL AGREE WE NEED MORE MORE FIELDS.

WE NEED MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR KIDS. I'M JUST WORRIED THAT IF WE JUST BLANKET, SAY ALL WE WANT TO DO.

A1 OR A2 THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE 24 MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD WITHOUT HAVING ANY REAL SOLUTION.

IF WE STARTED WITH THE VINEYARD SITE, WHILE NOT PERFECT, IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE.

AND PLUS WE HAVE PROBLEMS ALREADY, RIGHT? SO WE ALREADY HAVE FLOODING PROBLEMS EVEN AS USABILITY IS EVEN QUESTIONABLE NOW. AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH. AND SO I TEND TO LIKE THE IDEA OF OF STARTING FOR IMMEDIATE IMPACT, BECAUSE YOU'RE TELLING ME WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME BASEBALL COMPLEX, SOME USABLE COMPLEXES IN THAT TOO, WITH, WITH VINEYARD AND RSD AND THEN MOVING, NOT FORGETTING, BUT DOING JOBS AT THE SAME TIME, MOVING FORWARD WITH JOBS. AND AT LEAST WE GET STARTED ON SOMETHING AND THEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE JOBS AND PLAN, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE WAY MORE DETAILS THAN WE HAVE TO WORK OUT ON JOBS.

AND AS IT RELATES TO IMPACT, AS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED HERE AMONGST EVERYBODY ELSE.

SO THE EASY ANSWER IS TO SAY, OH, I WANT B1 AND B2.

THAT'S THAT'S EASY, BUT THAT'S NOT REALITY. HAVING BEEN AROUND HERE FOR A LONG TIME TO SEE HOW THESE THINGS WORK.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'D SAY WE WE NEED TO BE SMART ABOUT THIS AND CONSIDER THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF OUR DECISIONS AND SAY, OKAY, FROM WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US, B2 IS SOMETHING WE CAN GET DONE QUICKLY, AND THEN WE START WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, A2 OR A1, WHATEVER YOU WANT THERE. A2 IS PROBABLY THE BEST SOLUTION, BUT WE NEED TO START WORKING ON THAT AS WELL BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE ENGINEERING WHILE THAT ENGINEERING AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS ARE GOING ON. WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING. AND SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

I MEAN, THE EASY THING IS JUST TO SAY, LET'S DO IT.

BUT THE REALITY IS JUST SAYING TO DO IT DOESN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN.

AND SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE REALLY AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCE OF OUR DECISION AND WHAT THAT MEANS AS FAR AS TIMING.

NOW I'M DONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH THANKING STAFF.

I KNOW YOU GUYS GET A LOT OF DIRECTION, A LOT OF WAYS, AND YOU GET IT EVERY MEETING.

IT SOUNDS DIFFERENT. SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT FLAVORS. DIFFERENT EVERYTHING. SO I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU GUYS FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND MOVING QUICKLY ON IT. THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY SHOWING UP. ALL THE PARENTS.

RIGHT. THANK YOU, TERESA, FOR BEING SO PASSIONATE.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HAVE STUCK WITH IT.

I'VE HAD SO MANY PHONE CALLS FROM TREVOR LUNT AND FROM ROSS MIRACLE AND NICK TALBOT.

I THINK MY WIFE IS STARTING TO GET WORRIED. THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON. SO.

BUT I LOVE IT. WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO CARE ABOUT THESE KIDS, WHO CARE ABOUT SPORTS, WHO SPEND, I MEAN, COUNTLESS NUMBER OF HOURS, DAY AND NIGHT, GETTING UP, GETTING THE EQUIPMENT TOGETHER, GOING TO THESE FIELDS, WORKING HARD.

AND THEY'RE CARING FOR KIDS THAT AREN'T THEIRS. AND THAT SAYS A LOT.

SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THESE THESE MEN. SO I THINK THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS IS GIVE THIS THE TIME NECESSARY.

[01:40:08]

AND I WANT TO SIT HERE AND WHEN THIS, YOU KNOW, PARK PROCESS IS DONE, I HOPE THAT FUTURE COUNCILS LOOK BACK ON US AND SAY THEY DID IT RIGHT. THEY TOOK THE TIME WE STAND ON THEIR SHOULDERS, RIGHT.

WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THEIR EFFORTS. WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE STAFF. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M WITH RYAN ON THIS ONE.

IT'S IMMEDIATE NEED, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO B2 RIGHT.

GET VINEYARD UP TO PAR. GET RSD, UP TO PAR. GET IT WORKABLE.

WE HAVE 15 MILLION. BASICALLY SOUNDS LIKE AN ALREADY DEDICATED SPEND CAPACITY BETWEEN THESE TWO OPTIONS, A2 AND B2. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 17.6 MILLION AS OF RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW THOSE NUMBERS CAN CHANGE UP OR DOWN. YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO CUT BACK, I SAY IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DO IT OR DON'T DO IT ON A2.

I THINK IT IS. OKAY. MAYBE WE SAY TWO FIELDS, BASEBALL FIELDS IN ASTRO TURF.

AND WE KEEP THE EXISTING FIELD, BASEBALL FIELD AND JUST NATURAL GRASS.

MAYBE THAT'S AN OPTION, RIGHT? MAYBE IT'S A WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE MULTI-USE FIELDS OUT THERE, WE'LL JUST IRRIGATE NOT DO TURF. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS.

I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT, THOUGH, IS MAKE A DECISION. AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. AT LEAST. THAT WAY WE CAN GIVE STAFF FINAL DIRECTION, MOVE FORWARD, AND WE CAN WORK ON THOSE LITTLE DETAILS TO GET US BENEATH THAT BUDGET NUMBER IF NEEDED. BUT LET'S GIVE THESE PARENTS SOMETHING TONIGHT THEY CAN LEAVE WITH AND FEEL LIKE, OKAY, GREAT COUNSEL FOR BE MADE A DECISION. THEY VOTED.

WE KNOW THEY HAVE A DIRECTION. WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION. RIGHT. AND GIVE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THEIR MONDAY NIGHTS BACK BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY WANT THEM BACK AND THEY'RE TIRED OF COMING UP HERE. SO THAT'S BASICALLY MY DIRECTION.

I HOPE WE CAN MAKE A VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. GET SOME ACTION DONE. THANK YOU, MR. RICHARDSON. THANK YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF AND ALL THE PARENTS WHO CAME FORWARD AGAIN TODAY. YEAH. WE LOVE TO SEE YOUR FACE AT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I THINK IT'S TIME TO SAY THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

WHAT I WHAT I HEAR FROM MULTIPLE PARENTS AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS.

PARK IMPROVEMENT PLANS. IT'S THAT'S TOO LONG.

SO I WOULD SAY WITH A2 IF WE ARE PICKING A2, I THINK IN ANOTHER 24 YEARS, 24 MONTHS, WILL BE STILL TALKING ABOUT BETTER OPTION, OTHER OPTION OPTIONS, OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE, BUYING MORE PROPERTY OR WHATEVER. I THINK THAT'S STILL TOO LONG.

SO WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE AND FASTEST, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE IT AND RUN WITH IT.

SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR. I KNOW THIS IS NOT VOTING, BUT MY OPTIONS ARE B2 AND B1.

IF JEFF SAYS, WHAT TIME CAN WE START? I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S 12 TO 16 WEEKS.

WHEN CAN WE START? JUNE. JUNE? SOMETIME IN JUNE.

SOMETIME IN JUNE. SO EARLY JUNE? AS SOON AS THE SEASON IS OVER OR OVER, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M SEEING SOME HEAD SHAKE. OKAY, I'M GONNA WRITE DOWN JUNE, EARLY JUNE, MID JUNE.

OKAY, I'M WRITING IT DOWN. ALL CAPS. I WANT TO SEE DIRT MOVING.

YES, I'M COMING WITH THE SHOVEL IN JUNE. OKAY.

CAN WE WRITE THAT DOWN? I IT'S RECORDED. I WILL BE THERE WITH THE WITH THE REST OF THE PARENTS, SO I MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE PERFECT OPTION. WE'RE NOT GOING AND WE ARE NOT GOING FOR THE PERFECT OPTION AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE PERFECT OPTION FOR THE LAST 24 OR 10 YEARS.

SO YEAH, THIS IS MY PICK B1, B2 AND WE'LL START MOVING NEXT JUNE AND WE'LL BE DONE IN 16 WEEKS OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY. YES, SIR. I'LL WALK YOU DOWN TO THE HONORABLE LARRY ALLEN. I WANT TO ECHO PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID ALREADY.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING OUT. THIS MIGHT SOUND CORNY, BUT HEY, I LOVE YOU GUYS.

AND I LOVE THE KIDS IN OUR COMMUNITY. BUT I WILL SAY THIS I'M BLESSED.

OUR FAMILY IS BLESSED. WE HAVE 30 SOMETHING GRANDKIDS IN OUR AND OUR FAMILY.

SO MY KIDS ARE HAVING KIDS. AND SO I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THE SAME ISSUES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.

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STILL BALL FIELD PROBLEMS. STILL TIMING ISSUES.

MY KIDS ARE STILL TAKING OFF WORK AT 430 TO GET TO PRACTICE.

I JUST WANT TO. I WANT TO AFFIRM YOU GUYS THAT YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY COMMUNITY THAT'S HAVING TO FIGHT THIS BATTLE. BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

THE GREATEST THING I'VE HAD TO DO IN THE LAST 15 YEARS WAS THROW A BASEBALL WITH MY GRANDSON.

SO THIS TOO WILL PASS, AND YOU TWO WILL FIND TIME TO THROW BASEBALLS WITH YOUR GRANDKIDS.

AND IT WAS A LOT MORE ENJOYABLE THAN HAVING TO THROW BASEBALLS WITH MY SON.

WE ALL HAVE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT FOR. ANYWAY, MY SON RAN REALLY STRAIGHT, REALLY FAST.

BUT BASEBALL WASN'T HIS DEAL SOMETIMES. BUT AS YOU GUYS HAVE THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO FIGHT FOR.

I WILL POUND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BEFORE THEY TEAR UP THAT TRACK AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHY. BECAUSE MY KIDS RAN TRACK.

AND SO WE ALL HAVE ISSUES AND WE ALL HAVE CONCERNS.

AND SO I THINK THE WAY TO FIGURE THIS OUT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WAY TO FIGURE IT OUT IS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH B2.

BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT B2. IS THAT GOING TO BE AN ENTIRE 16,000 TURFED AREA OR WILL THAT BE TURFED INTO FIELDS? THE ENTIRE AREA. SO IT WILL BE ONE BIG TURF. AND I'M ASSUMING IF WE PROCEED WITH THE STRIPING, THAT THERE IS SOME MAGIC STRIPING FOR BASEBALL AND TURF TO GO TOGETHER FOR LACROSSE AND SOCCER? YES. SO IN SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE DESIGN COMPANIES AND SEEING SOME OF THEIR OTHER OPTIONS, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN LINE THE FIELDS. AND SO THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES.

THE ENTIRE AREA WOULD BE TURFED. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING PARKING SPACE THAT WOULD ALSO BE TURFED, AND SO THAT ENTIRE AREA WOULD BE TURFED AND THEN LINED AGAIN.

WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS TO SEE.

YEAH, CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENT SPORTS MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME.

HOWEVER, LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULES AND WORKING WITH THE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT SPACE SO THAT WE CAN GET LACROSSE IN THERE WITH A REGULATION SIZE FIELD, IF POSSIBLE, TO SEE WHAT WOULD FIT AND WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THAT.

BUT THERE ARE OPTIONS TO LINE, LINE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES IN ONE TURFED AREA.

OKAY, THANKS. I'M NOT A BIG PROPONENT OF PLAYING BASEBALL AND SOCCER IN THE SAME SQUARES EITHER.

QUITE HONESTLY. IT MAY BE WHERE WE NEED TO GO.

IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS AT LEAST ON THE SAME PAGE WITH BE TWO.

AND LAST TIME WE MET, I DON'T THINK THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WAS AN OPTION. WHEN WE MET AS A JOINT COUNCIL, IT WAS TALKED ABOUT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS AN OPTION. SO I WANT TO MOVE TO A 1 OR 2.

WE CAN PICK ONE UP. WE OBVIOUSLY NEED DEDICATED BASEBALL FIELDS.

AND SO HOW DO WE GET TO THAT DEDICATED BASEBALL FIELD? JEFF, I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THIS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO IT. IF WE WERE TO MAKE A MOTION AND HOW WE PROCEED INTO IT.

BUT IF WE STARTED WITH A TWO, AT LEAST IT'S A START.

BUT THEN WE FIND OUT THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO HAVE THIS PIECE OF LAND THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.

CAN THAT MOTION NOW GO BACKWARDS AND CHANGE SO THAT WE FOCUS ON THAT DISCUSSION TOPIC AS A PRIMARY BASEBALL WITH LIGHT FACILITY, AND THEN WE MODIFY A2? I KNOW I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT FOR SOMETHING, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEN.

THEN CAN WE START WITH A PLAN AND SHIFT THAT PLAN IN THE MIDDLE? IF THAT OTHER PIECE OF LAND BECOMES AVAILABLE? THE ANSWER IS YES, PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING ON A DESIGN FIRM TO WORK ON JOBS IN AT ANY LEVEL. THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE DESIGNING JOBS IN ANY WAY.

SO IF SOMETHING MATERIALIZES WHERE WE FIND A GREENFIELD SPACE THAT'S GOING TO BE DEDICATED STRICTLY FOR YOUTH.

YOUTH BASEBALL THAT COULD BE LIGHTED. PARKING IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.

WE CAN ALWAYS DO A DESIGN CHANGE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND CUT SOMETHING OUT OF THE PROJECT AND JUST DIVERT THOSE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, OVER TO THE OTHER PROJECTS. SO, YEAH, YOU COULD CERTAINLY YOU COULD CERTAINLY SWITCH MIDSTREAM.

HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. YEAH. I THINK JUST JUST THINKING OUTSIDE OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD, WE START WITH B2 AND POSSIBLY A2 AS A AS A PUSH FORWARD, AND THE OTHER OPTION COMES AVAILABLE.

THEN WE CAN START TO DEGRADE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE PUT AT JOBSON PARK.

AND I'M STILL OKAY WITH THE THREE BASEBALL FIELDS THERE.

BUT IT MAY CHANGE THE LIGHTING. IT MAY CHANGE THE TURF.

YOU KNOW I'M 5050 ON TURF GUYS, I REALLY AM. BUT WHAT I'M NOT 50 OVER 50 ON IS HAVING FIELDS THAT YOU STEP IN WITH HOLES AND STUFF.

WE GOT TO FIX THAT PART OF IT. SO I WOULD NOT ARGUE TO DO NOTHING.

I WOULD ARGUE TO TO GRASS IT NATURALLY, BUT THEN FOCUS OUR BIGGER EFFORTS ON THIS OTHER ONE IF IT COMES AVAILABLE.

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WE START ONE AND WE HAVE TO. WE SHUFFLE THE OTHER ONE WHEN THAT LAND COMES AVAILABLE.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS. SO NOT TO COMPLICATE THINGS, COUNCILMAN ALLEN, BUT I'LL EVEN ADD ONE MORE TO IT, WHICH IS WITH THE MIDDLE MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN MOU THAT'S DRAFTED QUICKLY BROUGHT BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL AND BROUGHT BEFORE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. THE MOU IS THE FIRST STEP.

THE SECOND STEP WOULD BE DRAFTING AN ACTUAL INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR WHAT? WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN IT? WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION? HOW MUCH ACCESS DOES SARISSA OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE? THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS IN THE ILA. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY EXPEDITE GETTING THOSE AGREEMENTS PUT TOGETHER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

BUT WHILE WE'RE AT IT, SINCE WE'RE DOING THE MOU, WE CAN CERTAINLY VISIT IN GREATER DEPTH WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

ABOUT THE THE GREENFIELD SITE THAT COULD ADD TWO ADDITIONAL YOUTH BASEBALL FIELDS THAT COULD BE LIGHTED AND POTENTIALLY TALK ABOUT OPTIONS.

SO YOU MAY KNOW SOONER THAN RATHER THAN LATER ON THOSE TWO OPTIONS WHERE WE MAY NOT EVEN BE INTO THE FULL DESIGN FOR JOBS.

AND AND WE MAY GET AN ANSWER ABOUT THE OTHER SITE AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THERE ARE BOTH ENDS OF THE CAMPUS.

AND SO AGAIN, IF THE CISD WERE TO APPROVE OF THAT, THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

SO WITH THAT MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I THINK MY SUPPORT WOULD BE B2 AND A2, KNOWING THAT WE COULD CHANGE A2 TO A BETTER LOCATION IF THAT COMES AVAILABLE, AND THEN WE CAN DOWNGRADE, I WOULD ASSUME WE COULD DOWNGRADE THE IMPACT AT JOBSON, MAYBE REDUCE A SOCCER FIELD.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE REDUCE SOMETHING, BUT STILL DEVELOP IT, BUT NOT AS A PRIMARY FOCUS I THINK.

I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY HERE, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PROCEED. AND NOW WE CAN VOTE, PROCEED AND START MOVING RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, MAYOR? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT THOUGHT? I CAN COME BACK AND LOCK IT UP. THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU FOR DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY I'M GOING TO START WITH THE FOUR B.

RIGHT. I THINK WHAT I HEARD AGAIN YOU COULD CORRECT ME RIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT YOU KNOW SPEED TO MARKET.

MAXIMIZE THE SPEED. MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO RESIDENTS, NOISE ALL OF THEM.

I THINK THAT I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT. THAT'S GOT TO BE A DESIGN FACTOR. BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD FROM FORBES.

THAT IS PADDY, MR. CASH, MR. ELDRIDGE, MR. ALLEN, MR. FINCH AND MYSELF. WHAT WE WANT TO GO B2 AND A2.

AT THIS POINT OF TIME. DID I HEAR THAT? CORRECT? YES, MAYOR. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO I WOULD LIKE TO DO. BUT I'M ONLY ONE OF SEVEN PEOPLE.

NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT. FOR THIS COMMON PHOBIA.

THE PRIORITY IS TO GET B2 DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND START.

I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO START THE SAME TIME. AGREED.

SAME TIME. YEAH. FINISH ONE. FASTER. YEAH. YEAH.

RIGHT. DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT? MAKE A MOTION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD THE MOTION. NOW I WANT TO GO TO COUNCIL.

MAYOR. MAYOR, CAN I JUST CLARIFY TO COUNCIL MEMBERS ALLEN'S SUGGESTION ABOUT THE OTHER TWO YOUTH BASEBALL FIELD POTENTIAL SITES? WOULD YOU? IS THE DIRECTION STILL TO FOR US TO CONTINUE WITH THOSE DISCUSSIONS? YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF WE CAN EXPAND ADDITIONAL FACILITIES, GO FOR IT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE MOTION TODAY. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THAT'S THE DIRECTION TO YOU BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA.

BUT IF YOU CAN FIND ADDITIONAL FIELDS WITH THE SCHOOL.

YES. PLEASE COME BACK TO IT. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT, HEATHER? YEAH, BUT YOU CAN THEY CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THE MOTION.

SO THE OPTIONS ARE HERE AS THEY'VE BEEN OUTLINED.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO ADD THAT INTO THE MOTION AS PART OF THE OPTION FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO CAN WE SAY YES? CONSIDER ADDITIONAL. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ISD? YES. CONSIDER THE ADDITIONAL GREENFIELDS OKAY.

AND CONSIDERATION WHEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ISD FOR THE MOU AND ILA.

OKAY. IS THAT FAIR? OKAY. COUNCIL, I WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT, SIR.

GEORGE. I KNOW, MISS DANNY. YOU SAID B2 AND B1.

EVERYBODY ELSE I THOUGHT I HEARD A2 AND B2. DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT, JOSH? FROM YOU? I NEVER, I NEVER I'M SORRY. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? YEAH. I'M TRYING TO GET TO EMOTION. RIGHT. BUT I WANT TO GIVE A CLEAR DIRECTION THAT WHERE WE ARE PATH FORWARD, WE CAN START THE DESIGN WORK. REALLY? WHAT? I'M TRYING TO GET THERE RIGHT NOW.

I SUPPORT THE WAY THE MOTION APPEARS TO BE STRUCTURED AT THIS POINT.

FROM FROM YOUR DISCUSSION. BUT I DID DIDN'T OFFER ONE.

OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. I'LL COME BACK TO THE MOTION.

SO I THINK I HEARD FROM THE REST OF THE PEOPLE.

OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR B TO MAKE A MOTION SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT FIELDS.

AND ALSO WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION, IF YOU COULD INCLUDE THE GREEN FIELDS IN THE SCHOOL TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOU.

IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT OKAY FOR ME. CAN I HAVE A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO THE FIELDS?

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KEEP IT STRAIGHT, HEATHER. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE START WITH OPTION B TWO.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, PARALLEL OPTION A TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS.

AT THE SAME TIME, CONTINUING OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH CISD IN RELATION TO THEIR GREENFIELD OPTIONS THAT THEY MAY MAKE AVAILABLE TO US.

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? IT'S VERY CLEAR. SECOND.

OKAY. MOTION MADE BY MR. FINCH. SECOND, BY MR. ELDRIDGE TO. AUTHORIZE THE TOWN MANAGER TO START THE DESIGN CONTRACT.

HEATHER. KEEP ME STRAIGHT. OKAY. ON THE B2 AND A2 OPTIONS, AS WELL AS CONTINUING DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ADD THE GREEN FIELD IN ADDITION TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL FIELD TO THE MOU.

DID I SAY THAT RIGHT FOR YOU? DID I CAPTURE YOUR INTENT? OKAY. EVERYBODY HEARD THE MOTION. THIS IS FOR B MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY. THAT. ONE. TWO. OKAY. MOTION PASSED SIX ZERO.

MISS TINA IS ABSENT. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. OKAY.

COMING BACK TO THE TOWN COUNCIL NOW. COUNCIL CAN HAVE A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO THE THE PARK.

OKAY. MOTION. YOU WANT TO SAY LOUD? YOU SAY YOU MADE IT.

HEATHER, CAN I SAY THAT IT'S THE SAME MOTION AS MADE IN FOUR B? OR DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT? YOU SPELL IT. OF COURSE YOU DO.

YOU JUST TESTED ME FOR CONSISTENCY. OKAY, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT FOR COUNCIL THAT WE START WITH OPTION B TWO AND OPTION A TWO AND IN PARALLEL.

AND THAT WE CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SSD FOR THEIR GREENFIELD SITES AT THE SAME TIME.

SECOND. MOTION MADE BY MAYOR PRO TEM FINCH, SECONDED BY MR. ELRICH TO AUTHORIZE TOWN MANAGER TO ENTER INTO DESIGN CONTRACT.

TO PURSUE TO FOR THE B2 AS WELL AS THE A2 OPTIONS.

CONCURRENTLY WORKING WITH CISD TO INCLUDE GREENFIELD INTO THEIR MOU.

EVERYONE HEARD THE MOTION. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS THAT SHE CAN DISCUSS? I JUST WANT TO ASK JEFF IF I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE A2, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, BUT AS LONG AS THIS CAN START IMMEDIATELY, I'M ALL UP FOR IT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YEAH, I SUPPORT B2 AND A2 OPTIONS AS WELL.

I WANT TO SPEAK FOR JEFF, BUT I THINK IT'S TOUGH.

WHAT'S STARTING TO BE THE DESIGN PHASE, RIGHT? AS SOON AS WE CAN EXPEDITE THE PROCESS OF THE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS.

HERE. ARE THE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS, IF NOT FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY. MOTION PASSED SIX OH. MR. CLERK IS ABSENT. SO WITH THE SIX OF MOTION IS PASSED.

OKAY. FORBY, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SECOND. MOTION MADE BY MR. ELDRIDGE. SECOND. BY MR. PATTI. TO ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY. ALL OPPOSED.

FOUR B'S. ADJOURNED. COUNCIL, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. MOTION MADE BY ALAN.

SECOND BY MR. FINCH. TO ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY.

ALL OPPOSED. TIME IS 801, AND BOTH THE FORWARD AND TOWN COUNCIL ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU. WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS AND START OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AT SEVEN.

NO. NO, SIR.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.